Last night, Question Time: the BBC’s ‘political debate’ show, invited the leader of the BNP onto the panel. This caused a lot of furore in the papers and calls for the government to refuse to appear or send in a ‘bug gun’ to shoot the BNP down. The result was that veteran politician Jack Straw was dispatched to inform what the government think of the BNP. They were not happy about being on such a panel with him.
However, I say they should be.
The most important thing for a democracy to be is open. Openness is the armour and the sword that truly defeats racism, or indeed any sort of ‘ism. What openness says is that, “you may not skulk in the dark throwing angry lies or extreme opinions about without having the spotlight put on you.” This has led to a peculiar creature being born in the halls of power; politicians who are not allowed to have their own views. That is to say, they are not allowed to express them. They must toes a party-line, or stand as an independent. Keeping quiet and “on-message” is so important that it is almost impossible to get a straight and direct answer from any politician and the attempt to do so is the format of many a new program and debate show.
Question Time is such a show and, for the purposes of pretending to host real debates, it has a panel. Panels are a format that pitches the political group directly towards the audience. This is not the platform for debate between the people in the panel as they are not truly facing each other. Rather it is supposedly a way of answering the audience’s questions on a one to one basis. The entire panel are allowed to sound off on a subject and they are supposed to answer only for themselves. However, often, and this is not discouraged, they actually sound off on the people who have spoken before them. Therefore, a Labour MP may go first and a Tory then spends 3 minutes trying to blow the Labour argument to pieces. There is very little time for counterargument, so basically the experienced politicians have no choice but to be very ‘safe’ in what they say and even more ‘on message’ than normal.
Enter Mr Griffin.
Leader of the far-right party; the BNP
All countries have a broad spectrum of political opinions. In the average European country, the majority opinion will be Christian Democrat. This means two things. Firstly, the Christian part refers to the ethical framework of their moral and legal system being based on the Christian-religious morals of the previous ages. The democrat part is a statement of belief in the powers of a democracy, something most Europeans strongly support and have fought for in the violence of Europe’s past. However, this is the majority. Amongst the rest of the people there will be a more fractured subset and independent groups of people who want to be different. There are the Liberals, the Communists, the Anarchists (all very similar in nature) and many others, including the Monster Raving Loonies, the True Natural Law party and even the ‘far right’. The BNP are a far right party that define themselves by wanting, what is at the very least, a “strong” change in Britain:
Non “natural” British out. As if being British can be defined by mere genes.
They say that this change is to defend against the modern genocide of the British people, but the truth is this is not a British question. In fact, it has been with us (and all nations) since the dawn of time.
It is the Question of “foreigners”.
The Magna Carta, England’s first document of rights and lauded at all levels as the first step towards democracy, actually contained directly racist views in it. In its case against the Jewish people, who it advised against borrowing from. Such sentiments against so called “foreign influence” have always been debated and indeed inflamed by the racist policies contained within a minority. However, having such people in the democracy is a vital part of the political process.
Why?
Because democracy only works is it is totally representative of all the views in the country rather than just the majority.
There comes a time when the prevailing winds and tribulations require a change in leadership in the Commons. This tends to drift between the two main Christian Democratic parties, but in the past has drifted the way of the Liberals or further. This is in response to general feeling in the country and the situations and challenges to be found in the world. Such change become meaningless without freedom to debate it. People like Griffin throw the others into 3d, his views provide the contrast for the others.
For example, Churchill is often exposed as a Tory hero. However, keep in mind that his actions during WWII (such as the bombing of Dresden) would be illegal today. I am not suggesting that they were anything but necessary back then, rather that we could not realistically judge where he would stand today. In fact, it is important to remember that Churchill was a member of a Liberal government as well as a Tory Prime minister; he was able, as was more acceptable in MPs back then, to change his point of view as needed.
Churchill, considered the greatest ever British politician.
Such changing is not welcomed today.
The parties in a democracy are an indication of the distribution of the views held by the collective. Therefore, there will always be a ‘nationalist’ viewpoint and in fact that is important. Without a representation of such views, groups of people, perhaps large groups, would be feeling significantly marginalised and possibly become more violent. Bring them into the limelight and such behaviour will not stand the scrutiny. This worked with the Irish Terrorist parties far better than ignoring or banning them did. To me, the real danger in a democracy is that the system will degenerate into a two-part state. An issue found currently in the US, where the two parties are essentially identical and all non-mainstreamed voices are silenced. What silencing them does is disenfranchise minority opinion and lead to a system where the majority party has no checks and balances whatsoever. This leads to agendas being forwarded, without challenge, and that can be monstrous. Consider the US invasion of Iraq, all dissenting voice, all of it, was viciously attacked in the press. The fact that the majority had whipped itself up into frenzy and stopped listening to any other voices meant that the disastrous invasion went ahead with enormous backing.
This lead to over 500,000 people being killed.
Half a million.
Minority opinion is vital to a healthy running democracy. It is a way of taking the pulse of a nation. It does not need to be feared or encouraged; it just needs to be heard.
So, if that is enshrined in the democratic system, what is the problem?
The problem is over-exposure. The parties that appeared on the Question Time panel know all too well that it is not a debate show. None of them treated it as such and all of them attacked Griffin. By allowing the BNP onto the show, they feared that it will expose the racist minority view to more people than it naturally appeals to. What Mr Griffin said on the show was illuminating: he said very little. He stayed away from the central message of his party, a message that carries the explicit notion of the “natural superiority” of the “whites” and instead focussed on a view that is only the tip of that iceberg: immigration.
Not surprising really.
The panel attacked Griffin relentlessly for what they claimed he said in other formats and at other times, while at the same time criticising him for defending himself using the same methods. He did not rise to it at all and that was a worrying sign for it shows that he isn’t just a racist idiot; he is also a politician.
The BNP knows that merely being invited onto Question Time was a success. The other parties know it too and unfortunately turned the program into an attempt to discredit the viewpoint of the BNP and not debate them. Perhaps the BBC really knows that any proper debate comes from the people watching the show at home. In my household, the program lead to a serious debate that went on for hours and continued this morning. Debate that turned angry and upset. Debate that was personal and like the drawing of a wound. In other words: debate that was vital. I suspect that this was a pattern repeated all up and down the country.
That is good for the whole democratic process itself.
At the moment, the government does not want debate on anything. They sign up to things like the European Treaty without asking the people or anyone else. They never asked if we should go to war with Afghanistan. They are not interested in actually engaging with any dissenting voices and do everything they can to silence them. They never engage in debate at all when not in parliament, they instead focus only on “message.”
By putting Griffin on this popular show and having MPs attack him, the BBC has allowed the real debate to open.
So what is my opinion on all this?
I am a philosopher and my political opinion is quite close to anarcho-syndicalism or perhaps social libertarian. My political hero’s are Voltaire, Ghandi and Lao Tzu. What I believe in is egalitarianism:
a political doctrine that holds that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights
As a moral philosopher and having travelled around the world, I find myself becoming more liberal. I find myself disliking the corporate ruled world we are in, seriously disliking wars in other countries for religion and oil, not afraid of anyone whatsoever and against the aggressive over policing of the people in the UK.
I remain pro choice, pro gays, pro Europe, but anti newspapers, anti celebrities and anti globalisation.
I have many friends (about 40% of my chums) from ethnic backgrounds, but to me they are all British. Not black, not “them and I”, but British.
I do not care for Mr Griffins views, and I will not argue them here nor link to them (raising his profile on the web — try goggle for the worst of it). I do not believe in the hate filled manifesto he has written, but on the other hand; I feel that such voices are not only to be heard, but also to a certain extent protected. Griffin may have abhorrent views, but I would rather he has the chance to spout them in public, where he can be challenged, than in a private room where all debate is lost and with it: our cultural love of democracy.
As Voltaire himself said, “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”
Regards,
Basho




















Got to say I LOL’d hard at the idea we are primarily a Christian Democrat country and that Liberals, Communists and Anarchists are all closely related. Also the idea that there are economists as a separate entity. Does somewhat miss the point of socialism, no? After all even in an anarcho-syndicalist society there is going to be an economy!
Pro-Europe but anti-globalisation is an interesting one too but I’d like you to expand that in another blog post.
I’m certainly not going to argue with egalitarianism though.
The Question Time performance was such a loss for the BNP. Griffin looked stupid and has shot himself in the foot with his comments on London being “ethnically cleansed”.
“The first person to describe himself as a libertarian was Joseph Déjacque, an early French anarchist communist. The word stems from the French word libertaire, and was used to evade the French ban on anarchist publications.” — WIKI
See the link?
By Economists in a political sense, I mean the type of person who changes political views based on financial matters. Usually the ultra rich who are “above” the results of any social program other than financial ones. An example would be, a newspaper magnet changing his views and party support based on a government bringing in legislation that would effect him.
Also, your comment, “in an anarcho-syndicalist society there is going to be an economy!”
Not one you would recognise!
“Syndicalism is an alternative co-operative economic system. Anarcho-syndicalists view it as a potential force for revolutionary social change, replacing capitalism and the State with a new society democratically self-managed by workers.” — WIKI
“Pro-Europe but anti-globalisation”
I agree this is for another post, but in simple terms I like the idea of being more European, but I do’t like the idea of unleashing the corporations on other countries. Have you seen the film, “The Corporation?”
I would not be surprised that even by only turning up, the BNP will do good out of QT, especially because he was bullied somewhat. Not surprised, but disappointed.
Liberal != Libertarian, especially in the communist sense of the word. Look at the political tradition of Liberalism especially in this country.
Your definition of economist is wack and makes no sense. If you mean rich person say rich person. Economics and economists are entirely different. Murdoch is a rich chap that changes opinion with the political wind and what will make him richer, Keynes is an economist.
As for the economy of an anarcho-syndicalist society of course it wouldn’t be one we’d recognise based on current economics. I know that and never suggested it would be. I think it’s a utopian economics unlikely to wed well with humans but there you go.
You realise there is more to globalisation than corporations right?
Just to add this skin is much better than the previous one. I can actually navigate round the site now.
Liberal != Libertarian is not correct. There is a very clear association between the two. Indeed the major UK Liberal party (Lib Dems) has a large Libertarian bent and many Libertarian concepts in its core. Consider Lembit Öpik! There is also a clear association with communism, especially what would be called “neo-communism”.
I wrote a whole paper once on the idea of “Economic” as political position, I will try and find it and post it. Its is my own idea, and perhaps not something this article needs. I shall remove it.
REMOVED: “there are the economists (groups of people dedicated to the church of ATM, these people often float between parties based on their expressed economic views)”
The desire of the post human liberals is basically a combination of a one-world government with utopian economics. The basic premise is to move away from “earning” money, to a system allocating resources. An example in fiction would be The Culture in the Iain M Bank’s novels. A sort of Enlightened Communism.
“You realise there is more to globalisation than corporations right?”
Absolutely, there is government in bed with corporations too! In all seriousness, globalisation is mostly based on economic factors, but social and cultural movements are prevalent too. My problem is with the uncontrolled markets making decisions that effect human lives. The market is not a good judge, and is stacked only to make its players richer.
I don’t mind “the rich”, by the way. Inherently. I guess my issue stems from my job, which is the building of process solutions; I recognise that the market process is not in humanity’s long term favour.
Thanks for your comment on the site template, I will pass them onto Cesca; who designed it.
“Liberal != Libertarian is not correct.”
Indeed it isn’t but Libertarian in the sense of the Paris Commune and communism has fuck all to do with the political tendency of Liberalism. Take a look at Classic Liberalism, the Liberal Party and the marriage between them and the Social Democrats to form the Lib Dems. These are basics.
“I wrote a whole paper once on the idea of “Economic” as political position, I will try and find it and post it. Its is my own idea, and perhaps not something this article needs. I shall remove it.”
I rather figured this was the case. Not really an idea that caught on outside of you though was it? Economics is a key part of politics. Trying to separate it out as a political position on it’s own seems to miss the point somewhat. The main issue isn’t that you have your own idea just that you didn’t communicate it was something different to the norm.
What you seem to be getting at is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement
Mind you I have a problem with the idea of post-Human anything. Err… hello we are still Human!
Well, I am not a post-humanist, I am more interested in post-scarcity. After all a post scarcity society, or better yet planet, has no need of resource wars, aggressive economic practice or terrorism.
As for “economics as politics”, I took the idea out because it needs explanation to some and was confusing the issue, it is actually a well known idea in academic circles and my expression of it merely required more than the space allowed.
I agree that “post human” is misnamed utopian wish fulfilment. However, I also get the point that it is far enough from us now that a new name would be necessary.
Banks is one of my favourite authors though!
Have you read : Transition? http://www.outsidecontext.com/2009/10/12/transition-book-review/
Not yet. Am on a strict diet of getting through my current reading list which with my rather prolific book buying habits is hard work! It’s on my Amazon wishlist though.
hellloooooooo dude…
i found this article and the ensuing debate very interesting, quite similar to other discussions i have had with you previously…
just some points i thought may help..
the bnp party scores every time they get any publicity. it doesnt matter whether they get good press or bad. every time anyone prints, posts, airs or discusses anything, you raise its public profile, so in essence, even with this post, you are helping to support the bnp… sorry.
( by the way, they actually came to my door campaining… was the funnyest thing ever, there were 2 of them, a very severe, yet modern looking 20 something woman, who actually held very astute postions on morality and economics and is clearly the new ” face ” of the modern party.… she was in fact very convining… it was how ever spoiled by her handler, a fifty something guy, in a cheap suit, who suffered from bnp tourettes. every time the lady made a point, he chimed in with a lovely bark, some thing along the lines of ” send em back where they came from” and i swear once, a muffled ” kill them all..” the fun parts was listening to all this while my normally placid dog attempted to chew through the wall to savage them…
Actually, I feel that I am helping democracy. I may dislike the viewpoint, but I should not ignore it.
The danger is that we will become everything we hate. Once a friend, incensed by the BNP, said to me that, “All fanatics should be taken out and shot”. He spoke without thinking. The danger of the BNP is not that they will gain power, they won’t, but that our reaction to them will be so severe that they will gain unspoken support and we will no longer be the good guy.
“All fanatics should be taken out and shot” — I wonder who that was.…haha.