The quotes are from various people in the arnies airsoft discussion on this issue I have recently become embroiled in a very heated community debate regarding headshots in airsoft.

I am going here present the full force of my argument and sound a call for what I believe is the most important change needed to the sport; the mandatory wearing of full face protection. Airsoft is a lot more than simply a target sport. Airsoft is the recreation of a conflict played out as a skirmishing encounter with a set of rules and structure. These encounters are essentially split into two distinct game types, which has lead to two different feelings regarding the issue under discussion. Firstly we have Urban/CQB environments. CQB is close, very close and shots to the head are very common indeed. Given the limited space available in CQB environments even un-aimed shots have a very good chance of striking the head. Urban is similar. The main difference between Urban and CQB is that in Urban range is more mixed. For whilst it can be as close as CQB in parts, such as in houses, it can also be almost woodland ranges in places. However, this does not in anyway reduce the amount of hits to the head as people are often shooting at shapes in windows or doorways and the natural defensive position is to hold the body behind cover and only show the smallest part of the head and gun.


“Aim should always be centre-mass anyway. But if a head is all I can see, I will aim for it.”

The second type of environment is woodland. In woodland distance is rarely less than 20ft. Fixed position assaults do bring the players within that distance, but generally woodland players are less likely to be face to face with their opponents. This however, again, does not reduce the number of headshots because of the increased use of sniper rifles in open play and the targeting of the head by such players.

“I dont worry about headshots. Got one on me, take it. I expect the same in return. If its a problem, we won’t play together. To not take a shot on someone when its applicable is retarded. Otherwise dont call it “milsim”.”

The rule makers in CQB have long known about the problems of close contact and there are plenty of methods to reduce the risk of injury to the players. In some sites a helmet is mandatory (longmoor), in others all CQB environments are single shot (Spectre) and at some the choice is left up to the player who receives all the possible encouragement to wear full face protection (Electrowerkz). In these environments players know that headshots will not only happen, but are actually played for. The head is often the first thing seen of the opponent apart from his firearm and ‘selective’ targeting is impossible.

“I personally think head shots should only be viewed as a last resort option, only to be taken very rarely for one simple reasson. Airsoft is supposed to be, above and before anything else, fun. I you end up accidentally injuring someone by taking a head shot, it’s highly unlikely they’ll be having too much fun afterwards. Likewise, in my case at least, it’s highly unlikely I’d be having too much fun afterwards.”

The rule-makers in woodland rarely come into contact with such conditions, but still efforts are made to reduce injuries. Many sites require snipers to have a minimum engage distance and the direct targeting of the head is frowned upon as unsporting. Some require that guns are switched to semi in certain games or scenarios, or that people should ‘bang dead’ an opponent who is very close without firing. It is against this background that the arguments arise. The following are my thoughts on the subject of headshots.

A face mask would have saved this

Why aim for the head?

“Ah, I’m not going to vote. I shoot at whatever I can see. If the head is the only part that I can see than I’ll shoot at it because that means one less person on the other team. If the torso and head is all I can see then I’ll aim in the general direction and hit something. I don’t really care which…”

Headshots are an important part of the game of airsoft. Airsoft is an attempt to make a ‘safe’ version of a real battle, where people can come and play out combat scenarios without being killed or injured. All aspects of combat are played out with weapons of all types and pyro’s taking the place of explosives and grenades. As such, in a real battle the fighters would of course aim for whatever comes into range first. Unsurprisingly this would include the head as a primary target as a shot to the head is usually fatal. I have yet to come across an airsoft site that has banned headshots all together. In fact I have only seen such a rule set in a paintball match and frankly I felt it made a mockery of the game. All rules in a true sport are pushed and considered for advantage. In the paintball game I mentioned; players showed only their heads and their guns in the open, safe in the knowledge that they were immortal this way. It made for quite a strange sight I can tell you!

“Since I play CQB and full face mask is required. I’m kind of appreciative if they go for the headshot as it doesn’t hurt a bit. But I understand where if people are not using full face mask then that would be dangerous. But since they have the option to wear full face mask. It’s their own fault for choosing not to. Maybe they like getting hit in the face.”

It is this aspect of ‘sportsmanship’ that also leads to targeting of the head in airsoft. Often in our sport people do not ‘take their hits’. This is considered the worst possible offence and rightly so. Some sites run a total ‘no second chances’ rule on this. We can all agree that there are many reasons why someone might not take a hit to the body, from the testosterone ruled rage reducing the pain of the hit, to the BB striking soft webbing and not making any noise nor being able to be felt, to plain outright cheating. The general opinion of such play is split into two camps. The first advocates ‘lacing the bastard’, which as I will claim later increases injuries and creates a bigger problem. The other opinion advocates shooting them in the head. Why? Because: almost everyone ‘takes the hit’ from a headshot. Even if the person cannot feel it, they will certainly hear it. Only the very worst of offenders will not walk after such treatment and at my club these people are found and banned (Marcus, I am looking at you).

Lacing = wife not happy!


Isn’t shooting to the head unsporting?

“If it’s an issue for you to get shot in the face, wear a mask. End, full stop.”

As I mentioned, in CQB you have little choice regarding where on the opponent you place your shot. A vast amount of the game is played at a very fast pace and in an environment of large amounts of full contact fire. In such pressurised playing fields it is impossible to not aim at whatever target the opponent places in view. A player tends to find a style of play that works for them and sticks to it. The greater problem is this: airsoft hurts a lot. In CQB lacings are common and great pain can be both given and received by the players. This has led to the increased use of armour. I myself have a full level 3 armour set that totally protects my body from the rigors of ‘hardcore’ CQB. As my airsoft playing got better I slowly removed parts and now wear only a light jacket, gloves, cup, mask and helmet. However, the general trend is in the other direction.

People are now wearing such amounts of armour and combat vests that hits to the body are not felt at all. In fact, such players need a full lacing before they will even walk. Is this a problem with cheating? No, it is a natural reaction to the essential pain of airsoft and the fact that we all have work to go to/women to sleep with and both bosses and babes hate huge welts over your body.

My current 'lighter' loadout

I played once, one time only, before I got a helmet. I played with full face from the start. Pain is not my friend and my wife hates the injuries I was returning home with.

“Too right it’s unsporting! As XXXX says, most of us don’t play for the pain and don’t play to cause others pain – to deliberately hurt someone is sick and anyone with that attitude should be be banned from sites.”

What this trend has led to in CQB is a direct targeting of the head of the opponent. Especially when using pistols or single shot. If one does not shoot them in the head there is a fair possibility that they wont take the hit at all and nothing is more aggravating that winning a battle but being laced by the opponent after they are dead “because they didn’t feel it mate” etc. This has become a vicious circle and one which the marshalling team at my site do everything in their power to prevent. With a firm limit on FPS, players will use whatever advantage they can gain. This is not unsporting. This is the key to a sport. Take fencing. A hundred years ago one was not supposed to block fencing attacks and certainly not counter attack. This was considered un-gentlemanly. Compared to the sport today, such antiquated notions are comical. Moreover, and even more relevant fencers never wore masks. It took many many deaths before fencing became a proper sport and took the safety of its players seriously. The last death in fencing was in the 80’s and unsurprisingly masks are essential. This is because as the art evolved into the sport people became competitive. Once this happens, safety can no longer be a matter of choice; it must be mandated.

My argument is essentially this: If airsoft is going to survive as a sport and even become fully recognised, we must be safe and this must be in the rules.

Why not just ban headshots?

“I always headshot when assaulting. End of.”

BB’s rain down in all directions during play. On both woodland and CQB, support weapons and very fast firing guns are commonplace. Woodland players often fire burst way in excess of CQB players and some CQB players have guns that fire over 42 BB’s a second! In such play, can we really not expect some BB’s to hit the opponents head? No. Some anecdotal evidence: In one game I was playing I saw a very nasty accident. A guy wearing only shooting glasses (professional ones held on with an elastic band mind) took a burst from 20ft away. Now the burst was aimed in his general direction as he had stepped out into fire and not specifically aimed at his head and indeed most of it missed him. But from my vantage point of next to him in cover I saw the BB’s that missed pass behind him and bounce off the wall. One in particular then passed back over his shoulder, very close to his ear, and entered the lens of the glasses at the rear. It then bounced back off the lens into his eye. The effect was devastating.

So why not make goggles the mandatory standard?

“If a head is all you can see then you are aiming to eliminate the opposition from the game before they eliminate you. You are either doing this because that is your objective or they are preventing you from completeing your objective. I do not play this game to cause pain but if a head is all I can see then that is what I am going to fire at. Don’t like it? Get a full face mask. I did.”

Far more common than the serious danger of eye injury is teeth damage. Both in woodland from sniper fire or lacings and in CQB. One chap, who I had warned about this simply smiled at me and pulled up his scarf to cover his mouth. “I won’t open my mouth,” he said. In the very first game he came around a corner to come face to face with me. We both instinctively targeted each other, but I was faster and shot him in the chin with a single BB from my pistol. The red welt was clear and I again said that he should borrow a full face mask. Again he simply smiled, thanked me for shooting him only the once and went to regen’. At the end of the night he was still smiling, but with one less tooth. He had run screaming into a full auto barrage of fire and had had the bottom of his front tooth shot clean out. A very clear circle of white was missing from his mouth. I shook my head at him and told him where the nearest cashpoint was. He smiled again and left the venue.

Get a helmet! Full face would have saved him

Full face would have saved him that injury. Nothing else, not ‘avoiding shooting the face’ or ‘banning headshots’ or even ‘penalising the player who shot him’ would have had any effect on the damage. And consider this, I had directly (albeit instinctively) targeted his head whereas the lacing that took his tooth had not. I contend that it is not the targeting of the head, but the lacing that causes the most injuries.

The arguments against full face, are they not convincing?

The arguments I have read and heard in my time against full face protection range from the pitiful to the stupid:

  1. “I can’t see down my sights”. This is very easy to fix, by the simple purchase of a riser.
  2. “It doesn’t fit my load out.” Wannabies and geardos are the scourge of this sport. I have even seen people with goggles on their helmets, but only shooting glasses on their face! This is just asking for injury.
  3. “I wear a scarf.” Scarf’s don’t stop anything.
  4. “I will close my mouth.” This is perhaps the stupidest argument. When shot most people let out a mandatory noise, it is the word “hit!” In 99% of sites you have to say this sound. Try shouting hit with your mouth closed. You can’t, this so called argument is stupid.
  5. “I am over 18 and can do what I like.” Well, I am over 30 and I can’t. I can’t leave my fencing mask at home, I can’t spar at Karate without a floor mat and I shouldn’t be able to sign away my safety at airsoft.
  6. “I play woodland, we don’t need full face.” I play all types of airsoft and I have taken head shots in woodland that have scared the crap out of me. Only two weeks ago I must have been hit with an 8mm gas rifle (we suspect the M1 Garand) because I clonked me in the face from what seemed like MILES away. Woodland play is often not crono’ed, and as far as I am concerned an injury from a ‘woodland’ AEG can be much worse than a CQB one.

So what are you suggesting?

I say that all airsoft players should be forced to wear either full face protection in the form of a paintball or mesh mask, or in the form of a goggles/neoprene combination. It is only when we take safety seriously and mandate protection for our players that this fledgling sport has a chance of mainstream success and national recognition. Images of people without teeth, bleeding gums and shot out ears hurts our sport and we must do something about it.

The mixed option

Regards,

Basho

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  • Basho

    Well, my copy of this post at Arnies certainly stirred up debate! Eventually getting locked at 3 pages. Whatever else, I proved that there is a REAL split of opinion on this one, for while I was mainly battling my posistion on my own, I recieved many PM’s and a few phone calls saying that people agreed with me. But lacked the will to jump into the fire.

    Essentially then, please look after yourselves.

  • Basho

    Well, my copy of this post at Arnies certainly stirred up debate! Eventually getting locked at 3 pages. Whatever else, I proved that there is a REAL split of opinion on this one, for while I was mainly battling my posistion on my own, I recieved many PM’s and a few phone calls saying that people agreed with me. But lacked the will to jump into the fire.

    Essentially then, please look after yourselves.

  • Brian pooley

    i couldnt agree more i used to wear just ess goggles (good for the eyes but not full protection.

    because of the influence of my squad i believed that closing the lips would prevent damage to my teeth but in truth most high powered guns would go right through…

    even stock guns can take out teeth.

    im sad to say i lost a tooth this way i just hope my Jt spectra flex8 grey goggles will protect my teeth and my eyes.. since alot of paintball masks have weak rubber instead of solid stuff between you and the bbs.

  • Brian pooley

    i couldnt agree more i used to wear just ess goggles (good for the eyes but not full protection.

    because of the influence of my squad i believed that closing the lips would prevent damage to my teeth but in truth most high powered guns would go right through…

    even stock guns can take out teeth.

    im sad to say i lost a tooth this way i just hope my Jt spectra flex8 grey goggles will protect my teeth and my eyes.. since alot of paintball masks have weak rubber instead of solid stuff between you and the bbs.

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  • Frenchy

    Full face protection is about the only thing that can and should be use if you want to stay safe.
    Anyone not wearing one deserve what ever happen to them. And it is not if something happen to them, it is only when!!!

  • Frenchy

    Full face protection is about the only thing that can and should be use if you want to stay safe.
    Anyone not wearing one deserve what ever happen to them. And it is not if something happen to them, it is only when!!!

  • smoke

    i totally agree with basho.i started with goggles only and EACH time i played went home with a face injury: i recently bought a full face mask and i don’t care what it looks like.if i want to get hurt,i’ll join the army.playing for sport must be as safe as possible in order to be taken seriuosly.

  • smoke

    i totally agree with basho.i started with goggles only and EACH time i played went home with a face injury: i recently bought a full face mask and i don’t care what it looks like.if i want to get hurt,i’ll join the army.playing for sport must be as safe as possible in order to be taken seriuosly.

  • ASH

    I wear glasses only and last summer i got shot in the tooth and had to visit the dentist. fine that was my problem for wearing only glasses and i am looking for lower face/mouth protection now as its the logical step. but i dont agree that full face protection is the answer as there is soo much limitation. i have to say that i found the reasons listed for arguments against full face very poor reasons, you should have listed better reasons for arguments against such as:

    full face reduces your vision and severly reduces your hearing. (very essential to playing a good game for any player that does not just “spray and pray”)

    also the quite horrible fact that if you play on a decent sized site there is a lot of running involved and (speaking from experience) id try to reduce the amount of protection i wear as possible to reduce the amount of sweat that literally runs from a full face.harder to breath with full face also i have personally found.

    i also noticed the fact that full face are quite bulky and have a tendency to get caught or bash the terrain/walls etc.

    ….surely its a personal preference what a player wants to wear as they know the consequences but i also believe that there should be more options of masks, with more gauze lower face guards, slimmer designs and the such (i.e. protecting your teeth without the steaming of googles, restriction to breathing, hearing or too much sweating). the better the options the higher the chance people will want to use face protection as i do without the restrictions.

  • ASH

    I wear glasses only and last summer i got shot in the tooth and had to visit the dentist. fine that was my problem for wearing only glasses and i am looking for lower face/mouth protection now as its the logical step. but i dont agree that full face protection is the answer as there is soo much limitation. i have to say that i found the reasons listed for arguments against full face very poor reasons, you should have listed better reasons for arguments against such as:

    full face reduces your vision and severly reduces your hearing. (very essential to playing a good game for any player that does not just “spray and pray”)

    also the quite horrible fact that if you play on a decent sized site there is a lot of running involved and (speaking from experience) id try to reduce the amount of protection i wear as possible to reduce the amount of sweat that literally runs from a full face.harder to breath with full face also i have personally found.

    i also noticed the fact that full face are quite bulky and have a tendency to get caught or bash the terrain/walls etc.

    ….surely its a personal preference what a player wants to wear as they know the consequences but i also believe that there should be more options of masks, with more gauze lower face guards, slimmer designs and the such (i.e. protecting your teeth without the steaming of googles, restriction to breathing, hearing or too much sweating). the better the options the higher the chance people will want to use face protection as i do without the restrictions.

  • Daniel

    Here’s a solution to many of the issues with fogging being the reason ppl don’t wear masks; seek out the masks that have the mesh screen over the eyes, and wear glasses underneath. They wont fog up and they protect against inferior bbs which WILL occasionally shatter against and thru the mesh of the mask.

  • Daniel

    Here’s a solution to many of the issues with fogging being the reason ppl don’t wear masks; seek out the masks that have the mesh screen over the eyes, and wear glasses underneath. They wont fog up and they protect against inferior bbs which WILL occasionally shatter against and thru the mesh of the mask.

  • Colin

    Don’t forget that mouth guards can be used to prevent your teeth from being hit and cracking. I’ve seen a few people do it before. Oh, and mesh masks aren’t that safe. I’ve was at a cqb field where a guy next to me was wearing a mesh mask and at the start of the game, he was hit in the wire of the mask and the bb fragmented and hit him right below his eye inside the mask. He was so scared after that he rented a paintball mask at the field. Also, in a dusty/sandy environment, if there is wind blowing dust around, and your wearing a mesh mask, well, you get the idea. I guess you could wear sunglasses or something under the mesh mask in that case.

  • Colin

    Don’t forget that mouth guards can be used to prevent your teeth from being hit and cracking. I’ve seen a few people do it before. Oh, and mesh masks aren’t that safe. I’ve was at a cqb field where a guy next to me was wearing a mesh mask and at the start of the game, he was hit in the wire of the mask and the bb fragmented and hit him right below his eye inside the mask. He was so scared after that he rented a paintball mask at the field. Also, in a dusty/sandy environment, if there is wind blowing dust around, and your wearing a mesh mask, well, you get the idea. I guess you could wear sunglasses or something under the mesh mask in that case.

  • fluffmuff

    I find the most simple solution is to say wear what you want. I only play CQB and I pretty much only get shot in the face, but I only wear glasses and sometimes a cap, if I get hit in the face its my fault, if it hurts then its my choice. In the Bristol Courthouse its dark, I cant see squat through mesh and paintball style masks always steam up. When I play I accept that I may get shot anywhere, what will be next- mandatory cup protection? It’s a sport, lets not kill it.

    • http://www.outsidecontext.com/ Basho

      The problem is that you will lose teeth and then come complaining to me (the marshal) – I have seen over 10 people lose teeth and most whined about it.

  • fluffmuff

    I find the most simple solution is to say wear what you want. I only play CQB and I pretty much only get shot in the face, but I only wear glasses and sometimes a cap, if I get hit in the face its my fault, if it hurts then its my choice. In the Bristol Courthouse its dark, I cant see squat through mesh and paintball style masks always steam up. When I play I accept that I may get shot anywhere, what will be next- mandatory cup protection? It’s a sport, lets not kill it.

    • http://www.outsidecontext.com Basho

      The problem is that you will lose teeth and then come complaining to me (the marshal) – I have seen over 10 people lose teeth and most whined about it.

  • Andrew W.

    “The problem is that you will lose teeth and then come complaining to me (the marshal) – I have seen over 10 people lose teeth and most whined about it.”

    I’d certianly whine. To myself that I should have worn more protection.

    Do you think something like Bolle 800’s with a thick balaclava would be enough protection? I’m mainly botherd about eyes and teeth here, at least everything else on my face would heal up…

    If not I really want to find a place to buy this in the UK: http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/large_images/888/203407888.jpg

    I refuse to wear mesh goggles, I’ve read things about bb’s splitting and stuff coming through the mesh. I’d rather steam up and not be able to see for the rest of the game than not be able to see for the rest of my life.

    Thanks!

    • http://www.outsidecontext.com/ Basho

      It is a myth about BBs shattering through mesh. I wore mesh for the last 4 years and nothing has happened in any environment. A few people I know use thew “thick balaclava” route, but frankly it is not full proof. If you play in a place that allows or even encourages head shots wear full face is my rule. Googles is always necessary rather than glasses. That mask you link is basically a paintball mask – try justpaintball.co.uk they have some brilliant masks. I use a HFC mesh mask similar to that one and it rocks.

      • Andrew

        Hi, I was wondering, why don’t people use football mouthpieces to protect teeth. They are cheap, and fairly thick so they should stop bb’s. As long as your not charging the other team with your mouth wide open they would work well. Just an idea

  • Andrew W.

    “The problem is that you will lose teeth and then come complaining to me (the marshal) – I have seen over 10 people lose teeth and most whined about it.”

    I’d certianly whine. To myself that I should have worn more protection.

    Do you think something like Bolle 800’s with a thick balaclava would be enough protection? I’m mainly botherd about eyes and teeth here, at least everything else on my face would heal up…

    If not I really want to find a place to buy this in the UK: http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/large_images/888/203407888.jpg

    I refuse to wear mesh goggles, I’ve read things about bb’s splitting and stuff coming through the mesh. I’d rather steam up and not be able to see for the rest of the game than not be able to see for the rest of my life.

    Thanks!

    • http://www.outsidecontext.com Basho

      It is a myth about BBs shattering through mesh. I wore mesh for the last 4 years and nothing has happened in any environment. A few people I know use thew “thick balaclava” route, but frankly it is not full proof. If you play in a place that allows or even encourages head shots wear full face is my rule. Googles is always necessary rather than glasses. That mask you link is basically a paintball mask – try justpaintball.co.uk they have some brilliant masks. I use a HFC mesh mask similar to that one and it rocks.

  • Andrew W.

    Thanks for the reply!

    I was thinking of a combo like this:
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=260311784582

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=200343497093

    I have been paintballing before and I found that the masks were quite heavy and slide down my face (maybe I have a weird shaped face, I don’t know, lol). My friend recently got a v-force paintball mask for airsoft and I have to say it’s very well made and dosn’t fog up. The only problem is it is completely impossible to use sights on guns with stocks, to the point where after one day of using it, he is considering cutting it down. Disipite the fact that the one he got, according to a couple of reviews was “the lowest profile paintball mask you can get”.

    Two of my friends have a mask like this: http://www.swisslink.com/FS/1/Atom11769.jpg
    Which as long as you wear it with a balaclava, is perfectly comftable and looks terrifying (always good). Without, it digs into your face and looks rather silly. I still don’t feel completely safe in it. Ideally I’d want a similar mask the covers the mouth and is snug with most of the face, but has a good anti-fog lens rather than mesh.

    Anyway, I’m not sure if you’ve seen this, but here you go: http://www.airsoftica.com/airsoft/mesh-masks-safe.html

    I’m not saying that you’re wrong or anything, I just want to know what you think of that, because you’ve been into airsoft alot longer than I have!

    Thanks agian,
    Andrew

  • Andrew W.

    Thanks for the reply!

    I was thinking of a combo like this:
    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=260311784582

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=200343497093

    I have been paintballing before and I found that the masks were quite heavy and slide down my face (maybe I have a weird shaped face, I don’t know, lol). My friend recently got a v-force paintball mask for airsoft and I have to say it’s very well made and dosn’t fog up. The only problem is it is completely impossible to use sights on guns with stocks, to the point where after one day of using it, he is considering cutting it down. Disipite the fact that the one he got, according to a couple of reviews was “the lowest profile paintball mask you can get”.

    Two of my friends have a mask like this: http://www.swisslink.com/FS/1/Atom11769.jpg
    Which as long as you wear it with a balaclava, is perfectly comftable and looks terrifying (always good). Without, it digs into your face and looks rather silly. I still don’t feel completely safe in it. Ideally I’d want a similar mask the covers the mouth and is snug with most of the face, but has a good anti-fog lens rather than mesh.

    Anyway, I’m not sure if you’ve seen this, but here you go: http://www.airsoftica.com/airsoft/mesh-masks-safe.html

    I’m not saying that you’re wrong or anything, I just want to know what you think of that, because you’ve been into airsoft alot longer than I have!

    Thanks agian,
    Andrew

  • Andrew W.

    Thanks for all you help, I think I’ve found a solution now. I thought about making a combo of some X800 clones and the mouth piece from a Sansei SG5 mask. But I didn’t know how difficult it would be, then I was flicking through some random airsoft photos on facebook and low and behold, someone has already done it.

    Not sure if you can veiw this: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6886999&id=630290272

    You might have to join the (biggest, there are quite a few) airsoft group on facebook to view it, if you have one.

    Thanks agian,
    Andrew

  • Andrew W.

    Thanks for all you help, I think I’ve found a solution now. I thought about making a combo of some X800 clones and the mouth piece from a Sansei SG5 mask. But I didn’t know how difficult it would be, then I was flicking through some random airsoft photos on facebook and low and behold, someone has already done it.

    Not sure if you can veiw this: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6886999&id=630290272

    You might have to join the (biggest, there are quite a few) airsoft group on facebook to view it, if you have one.

    Thanks agian,
    Andrew

  • Basho

    That’s a good combo. You will find the sansei causes a lot of drool inside the mask though.

  • Basho

    That’s a good combo. You will find the sansei causes a lot of drool inside the mask though.

  • gyngeacle

    This is certainly helpful stuff. I am sticking with this closely.
    Likewise. I am glued to the topic. I can’t wait to see where this will go

  • gyngeacle

    This is certainly helpful stuff. I am sticking with this closely.
    Likewise. I am glued to the topic. I can’t wait to see where this will go

  • jodo

    I think people should mind there own business… its optional… if people want to risk getting hurt that is up to them… if you feel so strong about it YOU wear a mask and stop trying to push it into everyone.

    There’s nothing more annoying than bored people trying to nanny people… worry about yourself and stop trying to push your ways on to people.

    • http://www.outsidecontext.com/ Basho

      This is my website pal, you are telling me what to do in my house. You are the worst sort of hypocrite. As to the topic in question, well I was a senior marshal and safety officer for a major Airsoft site for over two years. I personally dealt with multiple injuries, lost teeth, cut faces and, in one tragic instance, a life changing eye injury. All were caused by a lack of full face. All. That gives me the right to suggest, on my own site, that we should do something to make this sport safer.

  • jodo

    I think people should mind there own business… its optional… if people want to risk getting hurt that is up to them… if you feel so strong about it YOU wear a mask and stop trying to push it into everyone.

    There’s nothing more annoying than bored people trying to nanny people… worry about yourself and stop trying to push your ways on to people.

    • http://www.outsidecontext.com Basho

      This is my website pal, you are telling me what to do in my house. You are the worst sort of hypocrite. As to the topic in question, well I was a senior marshal and safety officer for a major Airsoft site for over two years. I personally dealt with multiple injuries, lost teeth, cut faces and, in one tragic instance, a life changing eye injury. All were caused by a lack of full face. All. That gives me the right to suggest, on my own site, that we should do something to make this sport safer.

  • neer

    Well these are the side effect of this wild adventurous game. But if we take proper precautions and wear whole body guard so we can have lot of fun in this game…There should be law on wearing full face and all because I saw some psycho guys who intentionally shoot on the forhead like they are taking headshots….

    .I know one site that sell all the covering stuff on very very cheap prices. You can get manythings there. tokyohobby.net . I always wonder that to sell Tokyo Marui AK47 in just $205, isnt it great…

  • bashomatsuo

    Oh, I know it is adventurous – after all I have played it seriously for
    years now. However, I don't box without a gum shield, I don't fence without
    a mask and I don't airsoft without full face.

  • neer

    Yeah that is safe way……

  • guest

    I appreciated the point being made. So I find myself siding with the article.

    Certaintly CQB needs face protection … but you only need to play it once to realise this.

    Anyone choosing to play CQB without full face is asking for pain but moreover, is probably not respecting the other players. For those who wish to emulate the real world, CQB operators and swat teams appear to use full face protection anyway. so for me CQB is a no brainer.

    Woodland and open play is to me not the same risk at all and in my opinion should not be lumped into the same category of risk as CQB.

    Sure there is risk, but there's risk getting out of bed in the morning and it's not a perfect world. I choose to make my own decision and take responsibility for it in the woodland.

  • John Smith

    You make a fucking intelligent point. If anyone disagrees with you it's not cause they have a point but because they haven't though it out enough. Kudos on your logic and common sense, we need more of it on this planet.

  • Paul

    I don't think that it should be mandetory, player's should be made more aware of the injurys that can occur but shouldn't be forced to wear a full face mask, it's up to personnel preference.Half of my front tooth is fake because the bottom of it was broke off but it happened at home, injurys happen, it's life and I don't think forcing people into doing things they find uncomfortable will make the sport more mainstream it will push people away from it.I'm all for making people aware and personnely for CQB I prefere full face masks but I like that it's my choice to wear it and that I'm not forced to.

  • Trouble125

    rubbish….

    do less people drive cars because we have to wear seat belts?

  • bashomatsuo

    Thanks Tom, btw – I have added you to the whitelist for commenting.

  • Trouble125

    hi mate.. hope you dont mind, but i needed to make a point on another site, so i linked you up…

    your veiws are identical to mine on this subject, and you've already written them down… hope thats ok..

    ive linked them here…

    http://www.britishblades.com/forums/showthread….

  • bashomatsuo

    You, my friend, are most welcome.

  • Bunchofcrooks

    I think you are dead on, I wear full face protection, and encourage others to as well. I think part of the trouble is that there is no centralized authority on the sport (well, at least here in the US). Fencing has the FIE, and the masks and uniform standards there are transferred down to the national level organizations (USFA here). The very existence of the FIE standards lower insurance liability costs to fencing clubs, and make the sport much more respectable. If airsoft ever wants to become a sport that is generally accepted, it is going to have to organize. And if airsofters don’t do it themselves, eventually insurance agencies will do it for them, and at that point we won’t have as much say in what the rules will say.

  • Alexhotchkiss

     im looking 4 someone who will sell an airsoft machine gun prefurebly not a chain gun or mini gun. even a sniper, but if a an ak was easeir that would be good. 

  • poster

    full face is fine and dandy, untill you start getting sick from the heat or you get an asthma attack. with a half mesh or neoprene protector you can remove the lower part without taking off your glasses/goggles.

    gumshields work too

    • Anonymous

      By full face protection you should take me to mean eyes and face. So half mesh and goggles is fine.

  • Matthew

    i think if all you can see is the head by all means shoot, but if you can see more then the head then shoot at the body. its simple and it could save pain. this is one of the rules at the site i got to

  • Spyben3

    yes that last proposal is very reasonable. If people dont wear a full mask at least wear goggles and a mesh. That one layer is really gona help right?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/mmcbath Miles McBath

    Even though I’ve had scary moments, I don’t think there have been enough life changing mouth injuries in woodland airsoft to say that it should be mandatory. However, in CQB I can understand. But in outdoor woodland it should be a choice.

  • disqus_GB6tvV0EQd

    The thing about the whole aim thing is that if your gun has a stock, the face mask will prevent you from resting it near your mouth so you can aim down the sights.