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Into the Hive : The Deathly Scarab Hive

January 20, 2005  |  EQ2, Gaming, MMOG  |  View Comments

Last night I man­aged to get a group together to take a run at The Deathly Scarab Hive inside The Crypt of Betryal and take a pop at the bug queen.

Unfor­tu­nately, due to the quest being writ­ten up incorectly on the web, none of the people from the guild who came were able to join me and I was forced to go in with a pick up group.

The final questers were myself (25 Guard­ian), a 28 Monk, 28 Paladin and 25 Templar.

To zone in you require:

1. To be at the final point of the quest called “Into the hive” given by the Crypt Keeper.
2. To be at least lvl 24
3. To have a very good healer
4. The zone is on a 8 hour timer for failed attempts

There fol­lows a few notes and images of what I found.

Upon zon­ing in there are a num­ber of lower level bugs hanging around a small yard:

We made quick work of these! Our Paladin had been in the zone before and made us stay back. Guard­ing the next area are four lar­ger bugs. These are all non agro UNTIL you cross the line. We buffed up and sud­denly the bugs were upon us. They fought hard and conned white.

The battle flowed and our large DPS count star­ted to beat them down. Breath­less we were happy with the per­fo­mance and star­ted to wait for health and rebuffs before head­ing in fur­ther. How­ever, we were not given the chance! Sud­denly the Queen came up the stairs and attacked. She had spells and pois­ons as well as around 4 babies.

She was very tough and not being ready we looked like we were in trouble

Finally the Paladin dropped and soon after we all did. The battle was very very close by the end. It looks like you have to the pull all the mobs RIGHT to the zone line and be ready to run. Or at least have two heal­ers and more dps.

I left to find more Guard­i­ans but soon after­wards, I also got major wife agro and had to log :(

I look for­wards to return­ing to this place and sort­ing this bitch out! (Queen Ankhe­stara, not my wife!)

Guard­i­ans of Qeynos here is your challenge!

Yagyu

Weakened Ghoulbane Walkthrough

January 18, 2005  |  EQ2  |  View Comments

**Please note that this entry is my diary of my quest for the Ghoulbane**

**CONTAINS SPOILERS!**

**Cur­rent ver­sion: 2.0 — Added pic­tures of TOV**

My Quest for the Ghoulbane.

I had been adven­tur­ing in the Thun­der­ing Steppes for a while and slowly com­plet­ing the Guard­ian Armour Quests when I heard of a quest for the mighty Ghoul­bane sword. There fol­lows my diary and guide to the quest and what I think of the reward.

This is one of the longest quests I have yet to come across in this game, not least of all because I had not trained myself in min­ing and this forms a very large part of the quest.

To start, one vis­its a new­bie quest giver in Nettleville called Vida Sweeps. She needs a new broom and offers to reward you with a valu­able stone. I had ignored this quest for ages due to the fact that I found it unlikely that the stone was actu­ally valu­able. How wrong I was! Many other questers, I’m sure, will have deleted the reward for this quest before con­tinu­ing and must be kick­ing them­selves now.

Vida sent me to find Tawli Whiskwind in Baubble­shire, col­lect her broom and bring it back to Vida. The reward is the Dusty Blue Stone. Upon examin­ing the stone I was given the Dusty Blue Stone quest to try and find out what it actu­ally is. I took the stone to a min­ing expect called Gruffin Goldtooth in Gray­stone, near the Oak­myst Forest entrance.

He said that he needed time to look into the stone and would I col­lect some things for him whilst he does so? Sure, I thought, why not? What do you need? He wanted me to go to the Thun­der­ing Steppes to col­lect 40 rock samples from Wind Swept Rocks. A quick shout around the guild found that I needed a 90 lvl skill in min­ing to col­lect the samples. Unfor­tu­nately my skill was 8. Thats right, 8. The one after 7 and before 9. 12 was right out.

This just made me even more determ­ined. Firstly I upgraded all my bags to large and I cleared out any­thing I was car­ry­ing (spare swords etc). I then rolled up my sleeves (men­tally as my armor doesn’t bend very much) and stomped off to Oak­m­ist. For the next 40 minutes I mined, chopped, picked, trapped and fished any­thing that crossed my path. I wasn’t the only “non new­bie” doing this either. It became a mad dash to get to any rocks before the oth­ers and I couldn’t help won­der­ing what the newbs ™ were mak­ing of myself (resplen­dent with my AQ armor) hanging around their zones. Finally, I got to level 19. Level 19 is what is required to mine in Ant­on­ica. Axe in hand I headed out. Most of Ant­on­ica is grey to me. That is everything NOT hanging around rocks rocks are grey. Ant­on­ica is also very very big. The best places I found for min­ing were north of the roads from the Keep of the Needle to the Wind­stalker village.

This took some­time. Suf­fice to say it is a chore of epic pro­por­tions. I did how­ever get one break. Upon the third hour I checked to see if I had filled my bags and found that I had mined some coral and a lapis lazuli. My fin­ger hovered over the delete but­ton, and I quickly asked their value from the guild. The coral was worth 8 – 12 gold and the Lapis was worth around 2 gold. Amaz­ing. I had just spent one of the most tax­ing (although not too bor­ing) nights of my life and made more money in that time than the whole last two weeks killing and leveling.

I quickly found that people are all to ready to cheat people in my pos­i­tion and my first attempts to sell the Coral were met with offers of 8 sil­ver and 20 sil­ver respect­ively (from jew­el­ers too!) . Suf­fice to say I have a few more names in the old ignore list now than before. I even­tu­ally sold the coral to a nice bloke who wanted to make some­thing for his wife. He paid me 7 gold and 60 odd sil­ver. The Lapis went for 2 gold.

With such lar­gess to my name the quest took a slight hiatus as I went power shop­ping. I bought my Guard­ian a set of Pristine Car­bon­ite armor, a com­plete set of Pristine Agate jew­el­ery and the won­der­ful mace “Star­fall” which is from a rare quest in TS. Feel­ing bet­ter about the hours so far spent min­ing I set my pick about the rocks with renewed vigor in the hope of get­ting more riches. I couldn’t actu­ally tell you what I mined to get the coral, but I didn’t get another.

After many hours, many many hours, I reached lvl 90 in min­ing. Off to The Thun­der­ing Steppes!

Min­ing in TS is not safe. If you are going to do this quest I sug­gest strongly that you attempt it before you start hunt­ing Cenotaur’s. These horses live upon and around all the best sites for Wind Swept Stones that I could find. A night was spent get­ting the rocks, which are mostly on the left hand side of the map (for me). I noticed some­thing else too. You don’t get credit from EVERY rock you mine. I found (or I may have been in a trance and ima­gin­ing it) that you needed to mine slowly. As in you need to the let the mes­sages go from your screen before you mine again. But this may just be the hours of hit­ting things get­ting to me.

**UPDATE** Another good loc­a­tion for Wind Swept Rocks is down by Tower 4 to Tower 5 and all the undead there

Finally the quest updated to 40 samples and I was on my way back to Grey­stone. Old man goldtooth explained that he had had no luck in work­ing out what the stone was and sug­ges­ted I try a mage.

Search­ing the MageTower in South Qeynos I found, upon enter­ing the red tele­porter, the mage Aristide Calais.

He too had a task for me (I must change this DHL hat for some­thing new). Unbe­liev­ably he wanted me to go BACK to The Thun­der­ing Steppes and deliver some enchanted bars to Olden High­guard (found at the vil­lage at 612, –1, –60).

I quickly did this and gated back. Find­ing the mage for my reward he only said that the stone has no magic in it, it has a bless­ing. He sent me to a priest for more advice.

Said priest is called Tor­anim Skyblade and is loc­ated out­side on the left at the Temple of Life in North Qeynos. He, of course had a task for me to do as well.

I needed to kill undead in the Storm­Hold. I rushed there and slaughtered the yard trash skel­et­ons (tak­ing on 8 at once) and rushed back.

This is the point where the quest either ends (and you get a non sword reward) or con­tin­ues and becomes the Her­it­age Quest for Ghoulbane.

The point is when he men­tions Ghoul­bane you can click “I dont use swords” and he gives you a choice of some­thing else. I, of course, didn’t do this.

After you kill 25/30 skel­et­ons for Tor­anim Skyblade, you come back and he tells you that it is none other than the stone that was the pom­mel of the Ghoul­bane and gives you a long story about the lore of the Ghoul­bane and its last owner who died and so on and the Palad­ins of the Temple of Light brought his body and the sword back down into the Crypt of the Storm­lords. The Crypt of the Storm­lords is actu­ally in fact the Crypt of Valor and is past the Atrium close to the archer room.

Now the Crypt of Valor is a locked zone requir­ing a quest to open. The quest is called “A Key to the Past”. An inter­est­ing quest given from the Crushed Lib­rar­ian in (of all places) the lib­rary. I was half way through this quest by the time I got the Ghoul­bane quest and so I included here some quick notes from other sources up until the point I con­tin­ued and some notes about the library.

The quest NPC for the key is the Crushed Lib­rar­ian in the Library.

The Lib­rary is accessed from the room down­stairs with the mists in it. In the floor there is a grate which con­nects you to the lib­rary. BE WARNED that the mobs in the lib­rary called Writs (fly­ing books – very Harry Pot­ter) are tough as old boots and will kill you if you are sub lvl 30. You can get in without agro, but be care­ful. On the far side of the wall there is an exit to ant­on­ica if you get in trouble.

Note 1 — The big red glow­ing clay­more at the top of the stairs is not the Ghoul­bane, its the Bone Bladed Clay­more which is a lvl 40 click able quest.

Step 1: Talk to the “A Crushed Lib­rar­ian” in the Lib­rary in Storm­hold. The entrance to the Lib­rary is in the Feign Zom­bie room past the Atrium. There is a grate on the floor that you click to enter the Library.

Step 2: Kill Defiled Squires until update. Kill Defiled Knights until
update.

After these steps the Lib­rar­ian wants you to kill some of the more rare upper level bosses in the zone.

Lord Androus spawns in the chess­board and requires a smallish group to kill. He is spawned along with two priests at one of the 3 loc­a­tions around the board.

He is fairly infre­quent and you need to kill his place­hold­ers (knights and priests) to get him to spawn. He is also killed almost imme­di­ately and so I sug­gest (for you dual box­ers) park­ing your mule in there and keep ask­ing for a group to get him. For the people like me who only play one char­ac­ter you just have to be lucky. I spent the rest of the time killing greens in the hope of get­ting the Berik Sword of Thun­der drop with no success.

Guard Cap­tain Hess spawns in the bar­racks on the top level (2nd right from the main hall and in the doors to the left) and is even more rare than the Lord.

I strongly sug­gest get­ting in with a group camp­ing him as it is unlikely that you will get him on your own. He comes with two friends and I was lucky enough to get him right after a server reset. I soloed him and his bud­dies at 24 but it was close. His place­hold­ers are two Defiled Zom­bie Knights at the enclave.

The Zom­bie Hand­maid­ens are down­stairs then left in the Aritum and left again upthe stairs. They spawn fairly fre­quently, are very hard to solo at 24 and DONT ALLWAYS update your quest.

Finally, upon killing the maid­ens I returned to the Lib­rar­ian and was sent to find the key.

Now, he doesn’t tell you where to actu­ally find the key and it is in the last place you would think of look­ing. Basic­ally, its a the feet of a statue next to Sir Val­inayle, who is all the way back to the entrance. I grabbed the key and had the access.

It should have been plain sail­ing from here.… It wasn’t. Listen ladies and gen­tle­men to my tale of woe told in bul­let points.

1.You need 3 people with the key to get into the zone. (crap!)
2.You need the Scion of Dark­ness, that can kill you before you can blink, to not be up and kill your team mem­bers over and over. It blocks the Atrium and is a real bas­tard. (smeg!!)
3.You need to all be next to the zone in to click it. (Bollocks!!!)

**YOU NEED TO NOT CLICK ON ANYTHING WHEN YOU ZONE IN UNTIL YOU GET THE SWORD**

Yes, in my excite­ment I for­got to tell this to my group. Before I could find the sword someone clicked on a grave inside the Tomb and a HOARDE of yel­low^ zom­bies spawned and spanked me back to the dark ages. Not so bad? Well, TOV is on a timer… an 8 hour timer.… Basic­ally I had to wait for the next day before I could attempt the mind tax­ingly dif­fi­cult task of click­ing on a sword again.

I was a we’ bit frus­trated at this point in the proceedings.

The next night also had prob­lems. Upon log­ging back in, I found a duo of fant­astic guild mem­bers will­ing to come to TOV with me. I was going to loot the sword but we were going to also fin­ish the quest for that zone. It quickly became appar­ent that we would need more mem­bers if we were to be suc­cess­ful, not least of all a healer. Or two.

In SH there is always (at least on our server) one or two people look­ing to get into TOV. We quickly picked up a fourth team mem­ber who said he wanted to do TOV in full, when sud­denly one of my guil­dies went LD. Wait­ing for him to come back and for a healer. Or two. Our new found friend became impatient.

“Log­ging in to get my Ghoul­bane…”, he said.
“What the hell? wait!”, I replied. Too late. In this guys urgency to get the Ghoul­bane he zoned in. It was clear that he had no inten­tion of stay­ing for the whole of TOV and it was even clearer that he wasn’t going to roll on loot­ing the Ghoulbane.

**REMEMBER only one per­son can loot the sword PER INSTANCE**

**Once one mem­ber double clicks the zone — YOU ALL ZONE IN**

I was slightly pissed off. Luck­ily, the week before I had doubled my RAM in my sys­tem. This means I now zone FAST. More than this I know exactly where the Ghoul­bane is in the zone.

Loc­a­tion: It is on the left hand wall about half way down under a torch.

I zoned in and ran for the sword, with him right behind me. Click­ing as fast as I could, I pulled the sword from the wall. Success!

The gen­tle­men was none too happy and I got one or two tells of rage. The poor mem­ber of my guild that had been dragged in with us and the other mem­ber stuck out­side were also none to happy with him. Since we were now unable to con­tinue (the TOV mobs are all very hard) we decided in Groupsay to Call of Qeynos the hell out of there. As I cas­ted, the ass­wipe opened a grave and star­ted the mob spawns. Then to my shock, the guild friend remembered that they had used CoQ recently and couldnt cast again for half an hour. As I por­ted out I felt awful. I had dragged a friend down there and they had been screwed by this guy. Twice. Then I had got away and they hadn’t and had be given only debt.

The two mor­als here are this:

1.Be care­ful who you group with in such cir­cum­stances.
2.When you need to beat a wanker to a reward, run and don’t stop to take screenshots.

Hense, I have no screen­shots of the inside of TOV. Just remem­ber that if you don’t tough any­thing but the sword you are totally safe from the ghosts. When I go back here tonight I will post some.

**Update** Here are the miss­ing screen shots. My guild attacked this zone last night. Its tough but worth it.

The Ghoul­bane itself! Right click and pick it up.

This is the zone from the entrance:

This is the mobs:

After­ward either gate out or leave via the grate in the wall.

Any­way, I came back to North Qeynos and Tor­anim Skyblade…

…and he com­bined the stone and the sword to give me Ghoul­bane. Or at least

WEAKENED GHOULBANE!

Not that I can use it yet mind. Sigh.

Was this quest worth it. Hell yes! The sword has very nice stats indeed and a low speed. I earned a ton of cash and got to kill some nice mobs. I also learned by way around SH and TS completely.

My path is now set. I need to fin­ish the Armor Quests (I’m on 6), get to skill level 160 and then go for the next parts of the quest: The char­ging of Ghoulbane!

Watch this space.

Yours always,

Yagyu the Guardian.

/basho

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Repost: Solo in EQ2

January 17, 2005  |  EQ2, Gaming, MMOG  |  View Comments

As far as solo’ing in EQ2. It can be done, even on raid mobs. Dont believe me? There is a thread on this server about a guy solo’ing the Scion of Dark­ness in Storm­hold on his own. With pic­tures too.

Per­son­ally, I find I can solo any­thing up to green ^^. If its marked as a group mob that is. If its a solo mob i can take it up to yel­low. To be able to solo in EQ2 you need to use your smarts, in WOW the solo mobs are handed to you on a plate and your’re allowed to get on with it. In EQ2 you need to search for the little blight­ers. Here are some of the places i solo’d so far:

Firstly you can solo in ALL THE NEWBIE ZONES and solo ALL the new­bie quests.

Ant­on­ica. There are many solo mobs here. Bears and wolves up by the wind­stalk­ers, undead by caltoris, liz­ards by the oracle tower, gnolls on the islands and around the gnoll hero. Solo gnolls also walk north of the entrance to FMG, around the arch­ers woods, inside the south­ern gnoll cave. Moreo­ever, you can solo crabs on the north east beach, the undead out­side SH and as many bears and wolves as you can eat.

BB inside the front entrance there are gnoll pups and if you pull the right side first you can start to solo the court­yard. Once you are high enough you should be able to take out the gnolls patrolling the treas­ure rooms. From the other entrance there are many easy to get gnolls.

Ver­mines Snye. Here you can take the snakes, bats and even­tu­ally the cubes. The bats drop a lot of loot and some very nice pages (that sell for good sil­ver). There are also many many click­able quests for people all over this zone. Some giv­ing very nice items.

Storm­hold. After 20 the zone line trash greys out and you can start to solo at the chess­board, then the scorched and finaly work up to the lan­cers and tunel undead lead­ing to the stairs. Down­stairs you can solo the mists, the wan­der­ers (cru­saders and cav­il­iers) — (when you get high enough).

Thun­der­ing Steppes. I have solo’d gri­fawns for ages here as well as deer, eagles, the undead by T1, the wolves by the Chanters and the lower undead by the docks. Not to men­tion the crabs and sea creatures.

ANYONE WHO SAYS HE CANT FIND SOLO MOBS ISNT TRYING HARD ENOUGH!

Now, the game invites you to group by the fact that most of the quests and quest mobs require a group to get to (TOV for example requires 3 people to zone in). If this game is at all solo unfriendly it was this aspect. SOE have tried to counter it by adding none group NPC quests (the Watcher of the fields in TS or Sir Val­ly­iee in SH are two i have done) but there is still a way to go.

Stop your [explet­ive ninja’d by Faarbot]ing and go and find out. This isnt a “simple” game like WOW, it cer­tainly isnt AD&D. If you really want to know what this games inspir­a­tion is think “Mor­row­ind” with other people.

As for group­ing in gen­eral. Yes, some­times it can be hard and you have to ditch a badly led group. But sometimes…I’m telling you guys i have really really kicked some [explet­ive ninja’d by Faar­bot] in a group and we have taken mobs and slaughtered things i would never even EXPECT to be taken by our levels. Add to that, that the higher HO’s rule.

When it comes down to it

Group­ing Adds Life.

You dont have to sit at the zone line wait­ing to group you know!? If you want to find things to do — trawl the for­ums (there are tonnes of ideas), read some EQ2 blogs (sham­less plug), or even take on a big solo quest (parts of Goul­bane are solo and they take ages! and i per­son­ally made over 9 gold on the dusty blue stone quest — SOLO!)

First mobile post

January 13, 2005  |  General  |  View Comments

I just got a Nokia 9500

Its bril­liant and I am writ­ing this on the built in web browser

Fossil fuel cuts may warm up Earth. 13/01/2005. ABC News Online

January 13, 2005  |  Web Finds  |  View Comments

Oh the Irony!

Fossil fuel cuts may warm up Earth. 13/01/2005. ABC News Online

How To Irritate An Atheist

January 12, 2005  |  General, Web Finds  |  View Comments

Found on: http://atheist.8k.com/irritate.html

Some fool­proof meth­ods to irrit­ate your favor­ite athe­ist. Just be care­ful how you use them, or you may start won­der­ing why the athe­ist is strangling you.

1) Ask them why they are bit­ter against God.

2) Tell them that if there’s no God, they might as well go out and kill people.

3) Ask them to pray with you.

4) Invite their chil­dren to go to church with you.

5) Insist that there is a God, and show them where in the Bible it says so.

6) Hide Chick tracts in clever places around their office.

7) Tell them that the uni­verse is too com­plex to “just exist,” and must have been cre­ated by a God who “just exists.”

8) Make up statistics.

9) End a dis­cus­sion with “Well, I know you’re smarter than I am, but I know I’m right.”

10) Accuse them of per­se­cut­ing you.

11) Bring up argu­ments that make no sense what­so­ever; crit­icze their response with “You’re just not mak­ing sense.”

12) Use mul­tiple ver­sions of Pascal’s Wager as though you thought them up yourself.

13) Use the Second Law of Ther­mo­dy­nam­ics to dis­prove evolution.

14) Post inane argu­ments on the Inter­net, and never fol­low up on them.

15) Say that seper­a­tion of church and state isn’t in the Con­sti­tu­tion; insist that the Con­sti­tu­tion is based on the Ten Commandments.

16) Cite Kent Hov­ind as a legit­im­ate source of information.

17) …and call him “Dr. Hovind.”

18) Tell them they know in their hearts that God exists.

19) Point out that we all take things on faith.

20) Before start­ing an argu­ment, say “You’re an athe­ist? That means you’re going to hell!”

21) After los­ing the argu­ment say, “I pity you.”

22) Accuse them of will­fully ignor­ing the “obvi­ous truth.”

23) Use bad math to back up your claims.

24) Drink the last beer in the fridge.

25) …and buy nat­ural light to replace it.

26) Wit­ness for Jesus, and com­pletely ignore any­thing your com­pet­i­tion says.

27) Call him a meanie.

28) Tell him you don’t care what you say or prove, you will still have your faith.

29) When given a Bible verse that looks bad, tell him that’s what the verse says, but that’s not what it means.

30) Argue that the Bible stor­ies are not myths … they’re par­ables. And they’re all true!

31) Lead off your cri­ti­cism of the Big Bang the­ory with the dis­claimer that you’re not a phys­i­cist like he is.

32) Lead off your sug­ges­tions for ways to prove that Noah’s Flood occured with the dis­claimer that you’re not a geo­lo­gist like he is.

33) Over­whelm him with your know­ledge of sci­ence, using examples: “And because of entropy you have to press the nozzle on the spray can. The nozzle is entropy.”

34) Use Latin a lot.

35) Main­tain that the King James Ver­sion is THE Bible; ignore ques­tions as to who was saved prior to 1611.

36) Tell him that Moses wrote the Books of Moses.

37) Explain that the lack of proof doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

38) …and give him a blank look when he says that all people tried for a crime would go to jail.

39) Blame abso­lutely everything wrong in soci­ety on evolution.

40) Repeat some­thing over and over, as if that made it true.

41) Repeat some­thing over and over, as if that made it true.

42) Repeat some­thing over and over, as if that made it true.

43) Tell him that he acknow­ledges Christ every time he uses “A.D.” — which, of course, stands for “After Death.”

44) Accuse him of being an agnostic, since he isn’t 100% pos­it­ive that God does not exist.

45) Insist that the Bible is meant to be taken lit­er­ally — all except that verse he just showed you.

46) Tell him that God works in mys­ter­i­ous ways.

47) …and we’re too small to com­pre­hend his reasoning.

48) …and we shouldn’t think of him as “how he should be.”

49) Point out that the fact that he talks about God so much proves God’s existence.

50) Tell him you know God exists because Mount Everest exists.

51) If a plane crashes killing 300 pas­sen­gers and crew, but one little girl sur­vives with only third-degree burns, tell him that this mir­acle proves the exist­ence of God.

52) Insist that Noah’s Ark and the Shroud of Turin are real.

53) …and tell him about the spe­cial on FOX where you saw it.

54) When he shows you a verse about gen­o­cide, ask him how he dares to ques­tion the mor­al­ity of God.

55) Punch him in the face. Hard.

56) When asked to prove a state­ment you made, say that you already proved it.

57) Tell him that we all fall short of God’s grace.

58) Insist that faith is the only logical answer.

59) No mat­ter what he quotes from the Bible, say that it’s out of context.

60) …and when he points out that the quotes are in cor­rect con­text, tell him you need to be a Chris­tian to under­stand the true mean­ing of the Bible.

61) Tell him you must study the Bible for many years to reject Christianity.

62) …and when he points out that you reject Islam des­pite never hav­ing stud­ied the Qu’ran, say that you have faith, and faith is all you need.

63) Ask him how he knows God isn’t real if he can’t see the air.

64) Sigh, shake your head, and say “I just know that someday you’ll need Jesus.”

65) Talk about how you used to be a miser­able, sin­ning, drug-abusing, alco­holic, sex-addicted, spouse-beating crim­inal until you found God.

66) Change your handle every couple weeks.

67) Knock on his door at 9:00 in the morn­ing and offer him a pamphlet.

68) Tell him that God loves him, even if he doesn’t love himself.

69) Admon­ish him to have sex for repro­duct­ive pur­poses only.

70) Tell him about Christ’s plan for sal­va­tion for the bil­lionth time.

71) Refuse to debate.

72) Name a bunch of smart Chris­tian people.

73) …and when he names a bunch of smart athe­ist people, call him stupid.

74) Attrib­ute every appar­ent error in the Bible to mistranslation.

75) …and then pull up a mis­trans­la­tion from Isaiah to prove that Jesus ful­filled prophecy.

76) Burn him at the stake.

77) When shown that the Bible says that Pi=3, say that the Hebrews didn’t know any­thing about sci­ence, so it’s not their fault.

78) When shown the cre­ation account in Gen­esis, insist that the Hebrews had all kinds of sci­entific savvy, being inspired by God.

79) Lead him on until the very last moment, then tell him no … not until you’re married.

80) Insist that a per­son who makes Chris­tian­ity look bad was not a True Christian.

81) Claim intel­lec­tual superi­or­ity on the grounds that only smart people read the Bible.

82) Smile smugly and tell him that there are no athe­ists in foxholes.

83) Quote Psalm 14:1 to him.

84) …and then tell him that you think highly of him, and want to be his friend.

85) Give him the spe­cial gift of his very own “para­phrased” mod­ern Bible.

86) Speak to him with a fake Aus­trailian accent.

87) Cite my Format­ted Theo­logy page as a col­lec­tion of suc­cess­ful proofs for God’s existence.

88) Threaten to kill your­self if he doesn’t believe.

89) Equi­voc­ate sci­entific faith with reli­gious faith, and con­clude that, meta­phys­ic­ally, you are both in the same boat.

90) Claim that archae­ology is proof of the Bible’s truth.

91) Mis­con­strue logical terms in order to prove that logic does not work.

92) Claim that logic is the atheist’s god.

93) Claim that athe­ism is not only a belief — it’s a know­ledge claim.

94) Sup­port your ludicrous con­ten­tions with “Most schol­ars agree that…”

95) Use only cir­cu­lar reasoning.

96) Claim that the athe­ist only uses cir­cu­lar reasoning.

97) Claim that cir­cu­lar reas­on­ing is legit­im­ate due to cir­cu­lar reas­on­ing being legitimate.

98) Use the phrase “Hate the sin, love the sin­ner” as a blanket response to the notion that Chris­tian­ity is at fault for something.

99) State that Chris­tian­ity has done a lot of good along with all the mass murder.

100) When asked to explain a theo­lo­gical concept, com­pare it to some­thing simple, like “water,” and then mis­un­der­stand that you have incor­rectly labeled the con­structs of your ana­logy, then dis­miss the whole thing with, “You’ve just got to have faith.”

101) Upon hear­ing that he is an athe­ist, jump back reflex­ively, as if you don’t want to catch whatever it is he’s got.

102) …then look at him as if he were a dis­eased leper who just spit in your eye.

103) End all your posts with John 3:16.

104) …or “God Bless.”

105) When he takes the time and trouble to explain where your ana­logy or inter­pret­a­tion is at fault, begin your response with a sigh, so he’ll know how patient you’re being.

106) Open a minor-league base­ball game with the national anthem, fol­lowed by a gos­pel quar­tet singing a hymn, and sol­emn prayer. (True story!)

107) Open and close a mar­tial arts class with oblig­at­ory prayer, includ­ing the spec­tat­ors. (Another true story!)

108) Claim that God chooses who is going to heaven and humans have noth­ing to do with his decision, but he’s going to hell because he sinned.

109) State that whatever he says is not worthy of con­sid­er­a­tion, because the Bible says athe­ists can’t dis­cern what’s true anyway.

110) Offer inane apo­lo­get­ics books in the hopes that he hasn’t heard the argu­ments in them a thou­sand times already.

111) Patiently explain that the 42 chil­dren that were torn to bits by two bears sent by God were not really chil­dren, but spawn of Satan.

112) When asked if they would sac­ri­fice their own child for God, respond with “God would never ask me to do that.”

113) Care­fully explain that Lot’s daugh­ters were never in danger of gang rape, and that Lot knew this all along.

114) Most care­fully of all, explain that while all of the Bible is inerr­ant, Rev­el­a­tion does not lit­er­ally mean what it says.

115) Tell him that God answers all pray­ers — some­times the answer is no.

116) Tell him that Chris­ti­ans aren’t per­fect — just forgiven.

117) Tell him that he can’t love any­one — that’s why he can’t love God.

118) Offer to drive, then insist on listen­ing to Chris­tian Talk Radio.

119) …and laugh when you hear “This condom-nation will face condemnation.”

120) Claim that Ein­stein was a Christian.

121) Claim that Dar­win recan­ted evol­u­tion on his deathbed.

122) Tell him that he’ll come around just like your daugh­ter did … when she got con­firmed just so that she could get mar­ried in a big church.

123) Vehe­mently claim that the the­ory of evol­u­tion is incom­pat­ible with the­ism, then turn around and blame the the­ory for pro­mot­ing atheism.

124) Say that evol­u­tion is not proven — there­fore the Bible is correct.

125) Tell him it’s his respons­ib­il­ity to prove that God doesn’t exist.

126) Invite him to a church social func­tion, and show up late.

127) …because you were with his wife.

128) Deny that his child looks like him.

129) Ask what he believes in, if not God.

130) …then tell him that non­be­lief is also a world­view, there­fore there is no such thing as an athe­ist and Chris­tian­ity is true.

131) Explain that Buddha’s last words were “Jesus, for­give me.”

132) …and tell him that you were “saved” when you heard that story.

133) …and when he explains that Buddha died 500 years before Jesus was born, give him a blank look.

134) Say that God can’t reveal him­self with any real proof, because that would remove the need for faith.

135) When some­thing awful hap­pens, tell him not to blame God — he doesn’t interfere.

136) When some­thing won­der­ful hap­pens, tell him to credit God — he made it happen.

137) Tell him not to ask what hap­pens to those who have never heard of Jesus … HE has, and what is HE going to do about it?

138) Explain that it doesn’t mat­ter whether or not he thinks he’s sinned — all humans were imbued with ori­ginal sin at the moment of their birth.

139) …then tell him that babies auto­mat­ic­ally go to heaven.

140) …and men­tally retarded people.

141) …and those with Down’s Syndrome.

142) Treat noth­ing he says as cred­ible, because he is pos­sessed by Satan.

143) Show that the Bible must be true because when you take the ori­ginal Hebrew let­ters, spread them out and twist them around, you can spell words.

144) …and when he points out that that will work with lit­er­ally any work in any alpha­bet, accuse him of closed-mindedness and blasphemy.

145) Spell it “athiest.”

146) Spell it “evilution.”

147) Tell him that the Bible is true because the Bible says it is.

148) Tell him that Hitler was an atheist.

149) …and all athe­ists are there­fore Nazis.

150) Tell him that he’s play­ing right into Satan’s hands, because Satan’s greatest ploy is con­vin­cing people that God doesn’t exist.

151) Use the word “athe­ist” as a verb.

152) After your argu­ment has been effect­ively refuted, wait a few days and then repeapt the argu­ment, adding, “You still haven’t addressed this.”

153) Make up your own lan­guage, and claim that his inab­il­ity to under­stand is due to his atheism.

154) Claim that Jesus is the God based on the Old Test­a­ment, then turn around and say that the Old Test­a­ment has noth­ing to do with the New Covenant.

155) Use the word “pre­sup­pos­i­tion” incor­rectly, repeatedly.

156) Argue the most insig­ni­fic­ant point you can think of; when he doesn’t address your pet­ti­ness, claim victory.

157) Con­stantly attempt to equate athe­ism with theism.

158) Argue that the trans­la­tion “errors” in the KJV were actu­ally God-inspired improve­ments, and there­fore the KJV is the most accur­ate of all trnslations.

159) Say that God believes in him, whether or not he believes in God.

160) Call the Branch Dav­idi­ans a “cult,” but insist that your par­tic­u­lar fac­tion is a “religion.”

161) …and argue that a prac­tical dis­tinc­tion actu­ally exists.

162) State with a straight face, “Yes, I believe that an invis­ible fairy god king magic­ally blinked us all into exist­ence in order to pun­ish us for our sal­va­tion and that we must all humble ourselves and eat his flesh and drink his blood,” and then claim your belief is per­fectly rational and sup­perior to the athe­ist “mind-set,” which can provide no answers.

163) Tell him that he can’t use abso­lute logic because God is the only absolute.

164) Tell him the signs are there — he’s just not looking.

165) Tell him he wouldn’t believe even if someone rises from the dead.

166) Play Mat­thew McCon­na­ghey: “Do you love this per­son? Prove it.”

167) Tell him that the third hour was Jew­ish time; the sixth hour was Roman time.

168) Try to per­form an exor­cism on him.

169) Claim to be speak­ing in tongues when actu­ally you’re just bab­bling incoherently.

170) Say that the Bible (as opposed to other holy books) is true because it’s an eye­wit­ness occount.

171) When he points out an appar­ent incon­sist­ency of God’s attrib­utes, just say that God is infin­ite. The athe­ist, with his finite, human brain can­not begin to under­stand God.

172) For Muslims only: Say that it’s per­fectly reas­on­able for any­one to con­vert to your reli­gion, but no one has a valid reason to leave Islam; it is the per­fect religion.

173) Tell him that every­one has faith in SOMETHING.

174) Say that whatever you turn to in your hour of need is God.

175) Make him clean out your car.

176) Include cos­mo­logy and abio­gen­esis when dis­cuss­ing evolution.

177) Tell him he won’t under­stand unless he believes, and he can’t believe unless he understands.

178) Ask how he can have any mor­als if he doesn’t believe in God.

179) Say that you know in your heart that belief in God is per­fectly logical and rational.

180) Say that going to church is fun.

181) …and when he says it’s bor­ing, act surprised.

182) Leave little Jesus cards on the tables at restaurants.

183) Talk about all the great things Dubya is going to do for our nation.

184) Insist that homo­sexu­al­ity is a choice.

185) Insist that Thomas Jef­fer­son was a Christian.

186) Tell his that it’s not a reli­gion — it’s a per­sonal rela­tion­ship with Jesus Christ.

187) Sing.

188) When asked what’s wrong with evol­u­tion, tell them that it doesn’t account for the ori­gin of matter.

189) Tell him he only doesn’t believe in God because his fam­ily hates him.

190) Advert­ise for heaven and hell.

191) Send a child over to wit­ness to him.

192) …when he tells the child he’s not inter­ested, send over two adults to say the same things.

193) …when he refuses again, give a Chick tract to a 3 year old to give to him.

194) Send a chat room mes­sage that he is a black-hearted sinner.

195) …then turn your IM off so that he can’t respond.

196) Tell them that Dar­win recan­ted evol­u­tion on his deathbed.

197) …and when he tells you about the Lady Hope myth, cry.

198) Cre­ate a web­site chal­len­ging evolution.

199) …and when he actu­ally does, close it down.

200) Cre­ate a term for a blatant para­dox in your reli­gion, then call other reli­gions false because they don’t have it.

201) Get into a chat­room argu­ment with him, then start SCREAMING the lyr­ics to “Amaz­ing Grace” while your friends write “Amen, brother” and other such non­sense as the athe­ist tries to make his point.

202) After los­ing an argu­ment hor­ribly, say that you will pray for his eternal soul.

203) …then begin pray­ing loudly without his permission.

204) Yell and scream about how he is going to hell dur­ing a debate.

205) …and when he gets tired of your yelling and scream­ing, back out of the debate.

206) When los­ing a debate, take advant­age of his good nature by punch­ing out some­body near you until he stops talking.

207) …when you see someone else do this, stop him by say­ing that his reli­gion is a peace­ful one.

208) Put gigantic crosses on everything he owns that you can get your hands on.

209) Counter every argu­ment that begins with “God is defined as…” with “So you believe in God?”

210) Cry foul when he tries to cre­ate a club that is not religious.

211) Fail to have a basic grasp of his­tory. (Span­ish Inquis­i­tion? What’s that?)

212) Have your pas­tor hunt him down and force him into a debate over dinner.

213) When all else fails, never talk to him, and con­vince a lot of other people to never talk to him either.

214) Treat his Chris­tian wife like shit.

215) Com­plain to him about your own church, but don’t leave it.

216) Send the DEA an anonym­ous tip that he has bundles of cocaine in his garage.

217) Put a large cross in his yard.

218) …then set it on fire with your hooded brethren.

219) PUT ALL ARGUMENTS IN CAPITAL LETTERS TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU’RE YELLING AND SCREAMING!

220) Start your own uni­ver­sity ded­ic­ated to reli­gious narrow-mindedness and restric­tion of free choice.

221) …and name it “Liberty.”

222) Per­petu­ally ask saps for money on your tele­vi­sion show.

223) Avoid taxes and reg­u­la­tions because you’re doing God’s work.

224) Ask why he only focuses on the bad parts of the Bible.

225) Accuse him of closed-mindedness for not accept­ing your extraordin­ary claims.

226) Tell him he has to believe before he can under­stand the evidence.

227) Tell him he is innumerate.

228) Tell him he is illiterate.

229) Tell him he is pissed.

230) Tell him he won’t agree with you because the Holy Spirit has closed his eyes to the truth.

231) …then con­tinue preach­ing to him.

232) Insist that you’ve already refuted everything he said.

233) Ask God to bless his dark heart.

234) Threaten to sue his uni­ver­sity for infringe­ment of free speech after he heckles you.

235) Tell him that long hair is the Devil’s work.

236) Tell him that all your music is the Devil’s work.

236) Tell him that the fossils in the earth are the Devil’s work.

237) Cre­ate hoaxes to prove cer­a­tion­ism (i.e. a human foot­print along­side a dino’s footprint).

238) Claim that God can cure HIV if one prays hard enough.

239) …then say that it is God’s choice who he will cure, and any­way hav­ing HIV is bet­ter than an etern­ity in Hell.

240) Turn up your amps so that every­one within three blocks has to listen to him rant about Jesus.

241) Double park on Sunday. Claim the prin­ciple of righteousness.

242) Ask who he turns to when he’s in danger.

243) …when he says him­self, say “No — when you’re REALLY in danger.”

244) Grossly mis­un­der­stand the word “theory.”

245) Declare that every­one knows in his heart that God exists, but just want to wor­ship themselves.

246) Declare that without God there are no ulti­mate answers to anything.

247) …then declare that WITH God there is an ulti­mate answer to everything — and that answer is God.

248) Declare that without God you finally die alone.

249) Declare that athe­ism gives you noth­ing to hope for except the false prom­ises of this world.

250) Use trans­it­ive verbs intrans­it­ively (e.g. “Jesus raised from the dead”).

251) …when cor­rec­ted on the above (e.g. Jesus ROSE or WAS RAISED from the dead), shout “Then you really do believe!”

252) Announce that God was watch­ing over a loved one who sur­vived a ter­rible tragedy.

253) …and when the loved one later dies from his wounds, announce that it was God’s will.

254) Get him to admit that he KNOWS God exists, but Satan has seduced him.

255) Invite every single per­son in your church to give Chick tracts to every­one they know.

256) Ask if he’s ever heard of Jesus Christ.

257) Show up on his front porch at 9:00 on Sat­urday morn­ing, and take advant­age of his grogi­ness by shov­ing cop­ies of Watchtower into his hands and get­ting him to read the Bible with you, then walk away before he has any idea what’s going on.

258) When he finally gets tired of you and launches sev­eral “Do Not Feed The Troll” cam­paigns against you, change your handle.

259) When con­fron­ted with a sound logical argu­ment, respond with “Yes, but I don’t believe that.”

260) Have the Gideon Bible wait­ing in the hotel room that he pays for.

261) Regale him with ques­tions such as “Who do you think wakes you up in the morn­ing? Isn’t that a mir­acle?” while you, the bus driver, should be watch­ing the road.

262) Scrape your fin­ger­nails on a blackboard.

263) If you’re an ISP, repeatedly cut him off dur­ing a net ses­sion, so that he must spend 90% of his time dialing.

264) Pro­gram your church bells to play very loudly at really odd hours.

265) Every time the sub­ject of his being an athe­ist comes up, burst out laughing.

266) Ask how he can pos­sibly raise chil­dren in a god­less environment.

267) Accuse him of hav­ing more than one personality.

268) Talk to him with the assump­tion that he shares your beliefs — i.e. start a sen­tence with “You know how God wants us to…”

269) When the sub­ject of homo­sexu­al­ity comes up, say “God cre­ated Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.”

270) …and expect it to be taken as an intel­li­gent remark.

271) Insist that the Bible is com­pletely true.

272) …and when he con­clus­ively proves oth­er­wise, acknow­ledge that the Bible is trash, but remain a Christian.

273) …then take him to church.

274) …and tell him he really must come more often.

275) Reply to every state­ment he makes, “That’s only your opinion.”

276) Post some­thing inflam­mat­ory about him, wait for him to respond, then go back and either delete or edit your post so that it appears that the ateist is attack­ing you for no reason.

277) Become com­pletely and totally para­noid about him.

278) After bring­ing up a num­ber of top­ics, explain your lack of response by refer­ring to some organ­ized sport that you par­ti­cip­ate in.

279) Point to some­thing in nature that’s really cool, and call it proof of God’s existence.

280) When he shows up at your wed­ding, bear­ing an expens­ive gift for you, return the favor by sicing your min­is­ter on him after the ceremony.

281) If he has can­cer, tell him with a sick­en­ingly sweet smile that you will pray for his recov­ery, because someone needs to.

282) Refuse to give him your wal­let after he quotes Mat­thew 5:42 to you.

283) Insist you believe in the lit­eral truth of the entire Bible, except for Mat­thew 5:42.

284) Take advant­age of a hor­rible national tragedy, caused in large part by reli­gious fan­at­icism, by push­ing your own reli­gious fan­at­icism as the only thing that will save us all.

285) …and announce that the tragedy only happened bea­cuse of those who ignore your reli­gious fanatacism.

286) When ask why you bother pray­ing to ask for things if God has a Divine Plan, tell him that you’re not really ask­ing for things, but you’re try­ing to get closer to him. (It’s a lie, of course, but don’t let that stop you.)

287) Insist that a denom­in­a­tion of Prot­est­ant­ism foun­ded in the ninteenth cen­tury is the only true way.

288) Insist on deathbed conversions.

281) When end­ing your con­ver­sa­tion with the athe­ist, prom­ise to read whatever book the athe­ist may have men­tioned, know­ing darned well that you your­self never made it through Leviticus.

Nearly all the par­ti­cipants of the Sec­u­lar Web’s FHJE board con­trib­uted to this list in some way — those who did not may share in the credit any­way. :o )

Love Microsoft? …try this:

January 12, 2005  |  General, Web Finds  |  View Comments

1. Go to mappoint.msn.com/DirectionsFind.aspx
2. In the Start sec­tion, select “Nor­way” from the list­box and enter “Hauge­sund” into the “City” field
3. In the End sec­tion, select “Nor­way” from the list­box and enter “Trond­heim” into the “City” field
4. Click on “Get Directions”

This is what you see:

LOL!

…and this is the com­pany of the worlds richest man!?

basho