Into the Hive : The Deathly Scarab Hive
Last night I managed to get a group together to take a run at The Deathly Scarab Hive inside The Crypt of Betryal and take a pop at the bug queen.
Unfortunately, due to the quest being written up incorectly on the web, none of the people from the guild who came were able to join me and I was forced to go in with a pick up group.
The final questers were myself (25 Guardian), a 28 Monk, 28 Paladin and 25 Templar.
To zone in you require:
1. To be at the final point of the quest called “Into the hive” given by the Crypt Keeper.
2. To be at least lvl 24
3. To have a very good healer
4. The zone is on a 8 hour timer for failed attempts
There follows a few notes and images of what I found.
Upon zoning in there are a number of lower level bugs hanging around a small yard:
We made quick work of these! Our Paladin had been in the zone before and made us stay back. Guarding the next area are four larger bugs. These are all non agro UNTIL you cross the line. We buffed up and suddenly the bugs were upon us. They fought hard and conned white.
The battle flowed and our large DPS count started to beat them down. Breathless we were happy with the perfomance and started to wait for health and rebuffs before heading in further. However, we were not given the chance! Suddenly the Queen came up the stairs and attacked. She had spells and poisons as well as around 4 babies.
She was very tough and not being ready we looked like we were in trouble
Finally the Paladin dropped and soon after we all did. The battle was very very close by the end. It looks like you have to the pull all the mobs RIGHT to the zone line and be ready to run. Or at least have two healers and more dps.
I left to find more Guardians but soon afterwards, I also got major wife agro and had to log
I look forwards to returning to this place and sorting this bitch out! (Queen Ankhestara, not my wife!)
Guardians of Qeynos here is your challenge!
Yagyu
**Please note that this entry is my diary of my quest for the Ghoulbane**
**CONTAINS SPOILERS!**
**Current version: 2.0 — Added pictures of TOV**
My Quest for the Ghoulbane.
I had been adventuring in the Thundering Steppes for a while and slowly completing the Guardian Armour Quests when I heard of a quest for the mighty Ghoulbane sword. There follows my diary and guide to the quest and what I think of the reward.
This is one of the longest quests I have yet to come across in this game, not least of all because I had not trained myself in mining and this forms a very large part of the quest.
To start, one visits a newbie quest giver in Nettleville called Vida Sweeps. She needs a new broom and offers to reward you with a valuable stone. I had ignored this quest for ages due to the fact that I found it unlikely that the stone was actually valuable. How wrong I was! Many other questers, I’m sure, will have deleted the reward for this quest before continuing and must be kicking themselves now.
Vida sent me to find Tawli Whiskwind in Baubbleshire, collect her broom and bring it back to Vida. The reward is the Dusty Blue Stone. Upon examining the stone I was given the Dusty Blue Stone quest to try and find out what it actually is. I took the stone to a mining expect called Gruffin Goldtooth in Graystone, near the Oakmyst Forest entrance.
He said that he needed time to look into the stone and would I collect some things for him whilst he does so? Sure, I thought, why not? What do you need? He wanted me to go to the Thundering Steppes to collect 40 rock samples from Wind Swept Rocks. A quick shout around the guild found that I needed a 90 lvl skill in mining to collect the samples. Unfortunately my skill was 8. Thats right, 8. The one after 7 and before 9. 12 was right out.
This just made me even more determined. Firstly I upgraded all my bags to large and I cleared out anything I was carrying (spare swords etc). I then rolled up my sleeves (mentally as my armor doesn’t bend very much) and stomped off to Oakmist. For the next 40 minutes I mined, chopped, picked, trapped and fished anything that crossed my path. I wasn’t the only “non newbie” doing this either. It became a mad dash to get to any rocks before the others and I couldn’t help wondering what the newbs ™ were making of myself (resplendent with my AQ armor) hanging around their zones. Finally, I got to level 19. Level 19 is what is required to mine in Antonica. Axe in hand I headed out. Most of Antonica is grey to me. That is everything NOT hanging around rocks rocks are grey. Antonica is also very very big. The best places I found for mining were north of the roads from the Keep of the Needle to the Windstalker village.
This took sometime. Suffice to say it is a chore of epic proportions. I did however get one break. Upon the third hour I checked to see if I had filled my bags and found that I had mined some coral and a lapis lazuli. My finger hovered over the delete button, and I quickly asked their value from the guild. The coral was worth 8 – 12 gold and the Lapis was worth around 2 gold. Amazing. I had just spent one of the most taxing (although not too boring) nights of my life and made more money in that time than the whole last two weeks killing and leveling.
I quickly found that people are all to ready to cheat people in my position and my first attempts to sell the Coral were met with offers of 8 silver and 20 silver respectively (from jewelers too!) . Suffice to say I have a few more names in the old ignore list now than before. I eventually sold the coral to a nice bloke who wanted to make something for his wife. He paid me 7 gold and 60 odd silver. The Lapis went for 2 gold.
With such largess to my name the quest took a slight hiatus as I went power shopping. I bought my Guardian a set of Pristine Carbonite armor, a complete set of Pristine Agate jewelery and the wonderful mace “Starfall” which is from a rare quest in TS. Feeling better about the hours so far spent mining I set my pick about the rocks with renewed vigor in the hope of getting more riches. I couldn’t actually tell you what I mined to get the coral, but I didn’t get another.
After many hours, many many hours, I reached lvl 90 in mining. Off to The Thundering Steppes!
Mining in TS is not safe. If you are going to do this quest I suggest strongly that you attempt it before you start hunting Cenotaur’s. These horses live upon and around all the best sites for Wind Swept Stones that I could find. A night was spent getting the rocks, which are mostly on the left hand side of the map (for me). I noticed something else too. You don’t get credit from EVERY rock you mine. I found (or I may have been in a trance and imagining it) that you needed to mine slowly. As in you need to the let the messages go from your screen before you mine again. But this may just be the hours of hitting things getting to me.
**UPDATE** Another good location for Wind Swept Rocks is down by Tower 4 to Tower 5 and all the undead there
Finally the quest updated to 40 samples and I was on my way back to Greystone. Old man goldtooth explained that he had had no luck in working out what the stone was and suggested I try a mage.
Searching the MageTower in South Qeynos I found, upon entering the red teleporter, the mage Aristide Calais.
He too had a task for me (I must change this DHL hat for something new). Unbelievably he wanted me to go BACK to The Thundering Steppes and deliver some enchanted bars to Olden Highguard (found at the village at 612, –1, –60).
I quickly did this and gated back. Finding the mage for my reward he only said that the stone has no magic in it, it has a blessing. He sent me to a priest for more advice.
Said priest is called Toranim Skyblade and is located outside on the left at the Temple of Life in North Qeynos. He, of course had a task for me to do as well.
I needed to kill undead in the StormHold. I rushed there and slaughtered the yard trash skeletons (taking on 8 at once) and rushed back.
This is the point where the quest either ends (and you get a non sword reward) or continues and becomes the Heritage Quest for Ghoulbane.
The point is when he mentions Ghoulbane you can click “I dont use swords” and he gives you a choice of something else. I, of course, didn’t do this.
After you kill 25/30 skeletons for Toranim Skyblade, you come back and he tells you that it is none other than the stone that was the pommel of the Ghoulbane and gives you a long story about the lore of the Ghoulbane and its last owner who died and so on and the Paladins of the Temple of Light brought his body and the sword back down into the Crypt of the Stormlords. The Crypt of the Stormlords is actually in fact the Crypt of Valor and is past the Atrium close to the archer room.
Now the Crypt of Valor is a locked zone requiring a quest to open. The quest is called “A Key to the Past”. An interesting quest given from the Crushed Librarian in (of all places) the library. I was half way through this quest by the time I got the Ghoulbane quest and so I included here some quick notes from other sources up until the point I continued and some notes about the library.
The quest NPC for the key is the Crushed Librarian in the Library.
The Library is accessed from the room downstairs with the mists in it. In the floor there is a grate which connects you to the library. BE WARNED that the mobs in the library called Writs (flying books – very Harry Potter) are tough as old boots and will kill you if you are sub lvl 30. You can get in without agro, but be careful. On the far side of the wall there is an exit to antonica if you get in trouble.
Note 1 — The big red glowing claymore at the top of the stairs is not the Ghoulbane, its the Bone Bladed Claymore which is a lvl 40 click able quest.
Step 1: Talk to the “A Crushed Librarian” in the Library in Stormhold. The entrance to the Library is in the Feign Zombie room past the Atrium. There is a grate on the floor that you click to enter the Library.
Step 2: Kill Defiled Squires until update. Kill Defiled Knights until
update.
After these steps the Librarian wants you to kill some of the more rare upper level bosses in the zone.
Lord Androus spawns in the chessboard and requires a smallish group to kill. He is spawned along with two priests at one of the 3 locations around the board.
He is fairly infrequent and you need to kill his placeholders (knights and priests) to get him to spawn. He is also killed almost immediately and so I suggest (for you dual boxers) parking your mule in there and keep asking for a group to get him. For the people like me who only play one character you just have to be lucky. I spent the rest of the time killing greens in the hope of getting the Berik Sword of Thunder drop with no success.
Guard Captain Hess spawns in the barracks on the top level (2nd right from the main hall and in the doors to the left) and is even more rare than the Lord.
I strongly suggest getting in with a group camping him as it is unlikely that you will get him on your own. He comes with two friends and I was lucky enough to get him right after a server reset. I soloed him and his buddies at 24 but it was close. His placeholders are two Defiled Zombie Knights at the enclave.
The Zombie Handmaidens are downstairs then left in the Aritum and left again upthe stairs. They spawn fairly frequently, are very hard to solo at 24 and DONT ALLWAYS update your quest.
Finally, upon killing the maidens I returned to the Librarian and was sent to find the key.
Now, he doesn’t tell you where to actually find the key and it is in the last place you would think of looking. Basically, its a the feet of a statue next to Sir Valinayle, who is all the way back to the entrance. I grabbed the key and had the access.
It should have been plain sailing from here.… It wasn’t. Listen ladies and gentlemen to my tale of woe told in bullet points.
1.You need 3 people with the key to get into the zone. (crap!)
2.You need the Scion of Darkness, that can kill you before you can blink, to not be up and kill your team members over and over. It blocks the Atrium and is a real bastard. (smeg!!)
3.You need to all be next to the zone in to click it. (Bollocks!!!)
**YOU NEED TO NOT CLICK ON ANYTHING WHEN YOU ZONE IN UNTIL YOU GET THE SWORD**
Yes, in my excitement I forgot to tell this to my group. Before I could find the sword someone clicked on a grave inside the Tomb and a HOARDE of yellow^ zombies spawned and spanked me back to the dark ages. Not so bad? Well, TOV is on a timer… an 8 hour timer.… Basically I had to wait for the next day before I could attempt the mind taxingly difficult task of clicking on a sword again.
I was a we’ bit frustrated at this point in the proceedings.
The next night also had problems. Upon logging back in, I found a duo of fantastic guild members willing to come to TOV with me. I was going to loot the sword but we were going to also finish the quest for that zone. It quickly became apparent that we would need more members if we were to be successful, not least of all a healer. Or two.
In SH there is always (at least on our server) one or two people looking to get into TOV. We quickly picked up a fourth team member who said he wanted to do TOV in full, when suddenly one of my guildies went LD. Waiting for him to come back and for a healer. Or two. Our new found friend became impatient.
“Logging in to get my Ghoulbane…”, he said.
“What the hell? wait!”, I replied. Too late. In this guys urgency to get the Ghoulbane he zoned in. It was clear that he had no intention of staying for the whole of TOV and it was even clearer that he wasn’t going to roll on looting the Ghoulbane.
**REMEMBER only one person can loot the sword PER INSTANCE**
**Once one member double clicks the zone — YOU ALL ZONE IN**
I was slightly pissed off. Luckily, the week before I had doubled my RAM in my system. This means I now zone FAST. More than this I know exactly where the Ghoulbane is in the zone.
Location: It is on the left hand wall about half way down under a torch.
I zoned in and ran for the sword, with him right behind me. Clicking as fast as I could, I pulled the sword from the wall. Success!
The gentlemen was none too happy and I got one or two tells of rage. The poor member of my guild that had been dragged in with us and the other member stuck outside were also none to happy with him. Since we were now unable to continue (the TOV mobs are all very hard) we decided in Groupsay to Call of Qeynos the hell out of there. As I casted, the asswipe opened a grave and started the mob spawns. Then to my shock, the guild friend remembered that they had used CoQ recently and couldnt cast again for half an hour. As I ported out I felt awful. I had dragged a friend down there and they had been screwed by this guy. Twice. Then I had got away and they hadn’t and had be given only debt.
The two morals here are this:
1.Be careful who you group with in such circumstances.
2.When you need to beat a wanker to a reward, run and don’t stop to take screenshots.
Hense, I have no screenshots of the inside of TOV. Just remember that if you don’t tough anything but the sword you are totally safe from the ghosts. When I go back here tonight I will post some.
**Update** Here are the missing screen shots. My guild attacked this zone last night. Its tough but worth it.
The Ghoulbane itself! Right click and pick it up.
This is the zone from the entrance:
This is the mobs:
Afterward either gate out or leave via the grate in the wall.
Anyway, I came back to North Qeynos and Toranim Skyblade…
…and he combined the stone and the sword to give me Ghoulbane. Or at least
WEAKENED GHOULBANE!
Not that I can use it yet mind. Sigh.
Was this quest worth it. Hell yes! The sword has very nice stats indeed and a low speed. I earned a ton of cash and got to kill some nice mobs. I also learned by way around SH and TS completely.
My path is now set. I need to finish the Armor Quests (I’m on 6), get to skill level 160 and then go for the next parts of the quest: The charging of Ghoulbane!
Watch this space.
Yours always,
Yagyu the Guardian.
/basho
OTHER EQ2 ENTRIES:
http://www.outsidecontext.com/wordpress/index.php?cat=10
As far as solo’ing in EQ2. It can be done, even on raid mobs. Dont believe me? There is a thread on this server about a guy solo’ing the Scion of Darkness in Stormhold on his own. With pictures too.
Personally, I find I can solo anything up to green ^^. If its marked as a group mob that is. If its a solo mob i can take it up to yellow. To be able to solo in EQ2 you need to use your smarts, in WOW the solo mobs are handed to you on a plate and your’re allowed to get on with it. In EQ2 you need to search for the little blighters. Here are some of the places i solo’d so far:
Firstly you can solo in ALL THE NEWBIE ZONES and solo ALL the newbie quests.
Antonica. There are many solo mobs here. Bears and wolves up by the windstalkers, undead by caltoris, lizards by the oracle tower, gnolls on the islands and around the gnoll hero. Solo gnolls also walk north of the entrance to FMG, around the archers woods, inside the southern gnoll cave. Moreoever, you can solo crabs on the north east beach, the undead outside SH and as many bears and wolves as you can eat.
BB inside the front entrance there are gnoll pups and if you pull the right side first you can start to solo the courtyard. Once you are high enough you should be able to take out the gnolls patrolling the treasure rooms. From the other entrance there are many easy to get gnolls.
Vermines Snye. Here you can take the snakes, bats and eventually the cubes. The bats drop a lot of loot and some very nice pages (that sell for good silver). There are also many many clickable quests for people all over this zone. Some giving very nice items.
Stormhold. After 20 the zone line trash greys out and you can start to solo at the chessboard, then the scorched and finaly work up to the lancers and tunel undead leading to the stairs. Downstairs you can solo the mists, the wanderers (crusaders and caviliers) — (when you get high enough).
Thundering Steppes. I have solo’d grifawns for ages here as well as deer, eagles, the undead by T1, the wolves by the Chanters and the lower undead by the docks. Not to mention the crabs and sea creatures.
ANYONE WHO SAYS HE CANT FIND SOLO MOBS ISNT TRYING HARD ENOUGH!
Now, the game invites you to group by the fact that most of the quests and quest mobs require a group to get to (TOV for example requires 3 people to zone in). If this game is at all solo unfriendly it was this aspect. SOE have tried to counter it by adding none group NPC quests (the Watcher of the fields in TS or Sir Vallyiee in SH are two i have done) but there is still a way to go.
Stop your [expletive ninja’d by Faarbot]ing and go and find out. This isnt a “simple” game like WOW, it certainly isnt AD&D. If you really want to know what this games inspiration is think “Morrowind” with other people.
As for grouping in general. Yes, sometimes it can be hard and you have to ditch a badly led group. But sometimes…I’m telling you guys i have really really kicked some [expletive ninja’d by Faarbot] in a group and we have taken mobs and slaughtered things i would never even EXPECT to be taken by our levels. Add to that, that the higher HO’s rule.
When it comes down to it
Grouping Adds Life.
You dont have to sit at the zone line waiting to group you know!? If you want to find things to do — trawl the forums (there are tonnes of ideas), read some EQ2 blogs (shamless plug), or even take on a big solo quest (parts of Goulbane are solo and they take ages! and i personally made over 9 gold on the dusty blue stone quest — SOLO!)
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Its brilliant and I am writing this on the built in web browser
Found on: http://atheist.8k.com/irritate.html
Some foolproof methods to irritate your favorite atheist. Just be careful how you use them, or you may start wondering why the atheist is strangling you.
1) Ask them why they are bitter against God.
2) Tell them that if there’s no God, they might as well go out and kill people.
3) Ask them to pray with you.
4) Invite their children to go to church with you.
5) Insist that there is a God, and show them where in the Bible it says so.
6) Hide Chick tracts in clever places around their office.
7) Tell them that the universe is too complex to “just exist,” and must have been created by a God who “just exists.”
Make up statistics.
9) End a discussion with “Well, I know you’re smarter than I am, but I know I’m right.”
10) Accuse them of persecuting you.
11) Bring up arguments that make no sense whatsoever; criticze their response with “You’re just not making sense.”
12) Use multiple versions of Pascal’s Wager as though you thought them up yourself.
13) Use the Second Law of Thermodynamics to disprove evolution.
14) Post inane arguments on the Internet, and never follow up on them.
15) Say that seperation of church and state isn’t in the Constitution; insist that the Constitution is based on the Ten Commandments.
16) Cite Kent Hovind as a legitimate source of information.
17) …and call him “Dr. Hovind.”
18) Tell them they know in their hearts that God exists.
19) Point out that we all take things on faith.
20) Before starting an argument, say “You’re an atheist? That means you’re going to hell!”
21) After losing the argument say, “I pity you.”
22) Accuse them of willfully ignoring the “obvious truth.”
23) Use bad math to back up your claims.
24) Drink the last beer in the fridge.
25) …and buy natural light to replace it.
26) Witness for Jesus, and completely ignore anything your competition says.
27) Call him a meanie.
28) Tell him you don’t care what you say or prove, you will still have your faith.
29) When given a Bible verse that looks bad, tell him that’s what the verse says, but that’s not what it means.
30) Argue that the Bible stories are not myths … they’re parables. And they’re all true!
31) Lead off your criticism of the Big Bang theory with the disclaimer that you’re not a physicist like he is.
32) Lead off your suggestions for ways to prove that Noah’s Flood occured with the disclaimer that you’re not a geologist like he is.
33) Overwhelm him with your knowledge of science, using examples: “And because of entropy you have to press the nozzle on the spray can. The nozzle is entropy.”
34) Use Latin a lot.
35) Maintain that the King James Version is THE Bible; ignore questions as to who was saved prior to 1611.
36) Tell him that Moses wrote the Books of Moses.
37) Explain that the lack of proof doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
38) …and give him a blank look when he says that all people tried for a crime would go to jail.
39) Blame absolutely everything wrong in society on evolution.
40) Repeat something over and over, as if that made it true.
41) Repeat something over and over, as if that made it true.
42) Repeat something over and over, as if that made it true.
43) Tell him that he acknowledges Christ every time he uses “A.D.” — which, of course, stands for “After Death.”
44) Accuse him of being an agnostic, since he isn’t 100% positive that God does not exist.
45) Insist that the Bible is meant to be taken literally — all except that verse he just showed you.
46) Tell him that God works in mysterious ways.
47) …and we’re too small to comprehend his reasoning.
48) …and we shouldn’t think of him as “how he should be.”
49) Point out that the fact that he talks about God so much proves God’s existence.
50) Tell him you know God exists because Mount Everest exists.
51) If a plane crashes killing 300 passengers and crew, but one little girl survives with only third-degree burns, tell him that this miracle proves the existence of God.
52) Insist that Noah’s Ark and the Shroud of Turin are real.
53) …and tell him about the special on FOX where you saw it.
54) When he shows you a verse about genocide, ask him how he dares to question the morality of God.
55) Punch him in the face. Hard.
56) When asked to prove a statement you made, say that you already proved it.
57) Tell him that we all fall short of God’s grace.
58) Insist that faith is the only logical answer.
59) No matter what he quotes from the Bible, say that it’s out of context.
60) …and when he points out that the quotes are in correct context, tell him you need to be a Christian to understand the true meaning of the Bible.
61) Tell him you must study the Bible for many years to reject Christianity.
62) …and when he points out that you reject Islam despite never having studied the Qu’ran, say that you have faith, and faith is all you need.
63) Ask him how he knows God isn’t real if he can’t see the air.
64) Sigh, shake your head, and say “I just know that someday you’ll need Jesus.”
65) Talk about how you used to be a miserable, sinning, drug-abusing, alcoholic, sex-addicted, spouse-beating criminal until you found God.
66) Change your handle every couple weeks.
67) Knock on his door at 9:00 in the morning and offer him a pamphlet.
68) Tell him that God loves him, even if he doesn’t love himself.
69) Admonish him to have sex for reproductive purposes only.
70) Tell him about Christ’s plan for salvation for the billionth time.
71) Refuse to debate.
72) Name a bunch of smart Christian people.
73) …and when he names a bunch of smart atheist people, call him stupid.
74) Attribute every apparent error in the Bible to mistranslation.
75) …and then pull up a mistranslation from Isaiah to prove that Jesus fulfilled prophecy.
76) Burn him at the stake.
77) When shown that the Bible says that Pi=3, say that the Hebrews didn’t know anything about science, so it’s not their fault.
78) When shown the creation account in Genesis, insist that the Hebrews had all kinds of scientific savvy, being inspired by God.
79) Lead him on until the very last moment, then tell him no … not until you’re married.
80) Insist that a person who makes Christianity look bad was not a True Christian.
81) Claim intellectual superiority on the grounds that only smart people read the Bible.
82) Smile smugly and tell him that there are no atheists in foxholes.
83) Quote Psalm 14:1 to him.
84) …and then tell him that you think highly of him, and want to be his friend.
85) Give him the special gift of his very own “paraphrased” modern Bible.
86) Speak to him with a fake Austrailian accent.
87) Cite my Formatted Theology page as a collection of successful proofs for God’s existence.
88) Threaten to kill yourself if he doesn’t believe.
89) Equivocate scientific faith with religious faith, and conclude that, metaphysically, you are both in the same boat.
90) Claim that archaeology is proof of the Bible’s truth.
91) Misconstrue logical terms in order to prove that logic does not work.
92) Claim that logic is the atheist’s god.
93) Claim that atheism is not only a belief — it’s a knowledge claim.
94) Support your ludicrous contentions with “Most scholars agree that…”
95) Use only circular reasoning.
96) Claim that the atheist only uses circular reasoning.
97) Claim that circular reasoning is legitimate due to circular reasoning being legitimate.
98) Use the phrase “Hate the sin, love the sinner” as a blanket response to the notion that Christianity is at fault for something.
99) State that Christianity has done a lot of good along with all the mass murder.
100) When asked to explain a theological concept, compare it to something simple, like “water,” and then misunderstand that you have incorrectly labeled the constructs of your analogy, then dismiss the whole thing with, “You’ve just got to have faith.”
101) Upon hearing that he is an atheist, jump back reflexively, as if you don’t want to catch whatever it is he’s got.
102) …then look at him as if he were a diseased leper who just spit in your eye.
103) End all your posts with John 3:16.
104) …or “God Bless.”
105) When he takes the time and trouble to explain where your analogy or interpretation is at fault, begin your response with a sigh, so he’ll know how patient you’re being.
106) Open a minor-league baseball game with the national anthem, followed by a gospel quartet singing a hymn, and solemn prayer. (True story!)
107) Open and close a martial arts class with obligatory prayer, including the spectators. (Another true story!)
108) Claim that God chooses who is going to heaven and humans have nothing to do with his decision, but he’s going to hell because he sinned.
109) State that whatever he says is not worthy of consideration, because the Bible says atheists can’t discern what’s true anyway.
110) Offer inane apologetics books in the hopes that he hasn’t heard the arguments in them a thousand times already.
111) Patiently explain that the 42 children that were torn to bits by two bears sent by God were not really children, but spawn of Satan.
112) When asked if they would sacrifice their own child for God, respond with “God would never ask me to do that.”
113) Carefully explain that Lot’s daughters were never in danger of gang rape, and that Lot knew this all along.
114) Most carefully of all, explain that while all of the Bible is inerrant, Revelation does not literally mean what it says.
115) Tell him that God answers all prayers — sometimes the answer is no.
116) Tell him that Christians aren’t perfect — just forgiven.
117) Tell him that he can’t love anyone — that’s why he can’t love God.
118) Offer to drive, then insist on listening to Christian Talk Radio.
119) …and laugh when you hear “This condom-nation will face condemnation.”
120) Claim that Einstein was a Christian.
121) Claim that Darwin recanted evolution on his deathbed.
122) Tell him that he’ll come around just like your daughter did … when she got confirmed just so that she could get married in a big church.
123) Vehemently claim that the theory of evolution is incompatible with theism, then turn around and blame the theory for promoting atheism.
124) Say that evolution is not proven — therefore the Bible is correct.
125) Tell him it’s his responsibility to prove that God doesn’t exist.
126) Invite him to a church social function, and show up late.
127) …because you were with his wife.
128) Deny that his child looks like him.
129) Ask what he believes in, if not God.
130) …then tell him that nonbelief is also a worldview, therefore there is no such thing as an atheist and Christianity is true.
131) Explain that Buddha’s last words were “Jesus, forgive me.”
132) …and tell him that you were “saved” when you heard that story.
133) …and when he explains that Buddha died 500 years before Jesus was born, give him a blank look.
134) Say that God can’t reveal himself with any real proof, because that would remove the need for faith.
135) When something awful happens, tell him not to blame God — he doesn’t interfere.
136) When something wonderful happens, tell him to credit God — he made it happen.
137) Tell him not to ask what happens to those who have never heard of Jesus … HE has, and what is HE going to do about it?
138) Explain that it doesn’t matter whether or not he thinks he’s sinned — all humans were imbued with original sin at the moment of their birth.
139) …then tell him that babies automatically go to heaven.
140) …and mentally retarded people.
141) …and those with Down’s Syndrome.
142) Treat nothing he says as credible, because he is possessed by Satan.
143) Show that the Bible must be true because when you take the original Hebrew letters, spread them out and twist them around, you can spell words.
144) …and when he points out that that will work with literally any work in any alphabet, accuse him of closed-mindedness and blasphemy.
145) Spell it “athiest.”
146) Spell it “evilution.”
147) Tell him that the Bible is true because the Bible says it is.
148) Tell him that Hitler was an atheist.
149) …and all atheists are therefore Nazis.
150) Tell him that he’s playing right into Satan’s hands, because Satan’s greatest ploy is convincing people that God doesn’t exist.
151) Use the word “atheist” as a verb.
152) After your argument has been effectively refuted, wait a few days and then repeapt the argument, adding, “You still haven’t addressed this.”
153) Make up your own language, and claim that his inability to understand is due to his atheism.
154) Claim that Jesus is the God based on the Old Testament, then turn around and say that the Old Testament has nothing to do with the New Covenant.
155) Use the word “presupposition” incorrectly, repeatedly.
156) Argue the most insignificant point you can think of; when he doesn’t address your pettiness, claim victory.
157) Constantly attempt to equate atheism with theism.
158) Argue that the translation “errors” in the KJV were actually God-inspired improvements, and therefore the KJV is the most accurate of all trnslations.
159) Say that God believes in him, whether or not he believes in God.
160) Call the Branch Davidians a “cult,” but insist that your particular faction is a “religion.”
161) …and argue that a practical distinction actually exists.
162) State with a straight face, “Yes, I believe that an invisible fairy god king magically blinked us all into existence in order to punish us for our salvation and that we must all humble ourselves and eat his flesh and drink his blood,” and then claim your belief is perfectly rational and supperior to the atheist “mind-set,” which can provide no answers.
163) Tell him that he can’t use absolute logic because God is the only absolute.
164) Tell him the signs are there — he’s just not looking.
165) Tell him he wouldn’t believe even if someone rises from the dead.
166) Play Matthew McConnaghey: “Do you love this person? Prove it.”
167) Tell him that the third hour was Jewish time; the sixth hour was Roman time.
168) Try to perform an exorcism on him.
169) Claim to be speaking in tongues when actually you’re just babbling incoherently.
170) Say that the Bible (as opposed to other holy books) is true because it’s an eyewitness occount.
171) When he points out an apparent inconsistency of God’s attributes, just say that God is infinite. The atheist, with his finite, human brain cannot begin to understand God.
172) For Muslims only: Say that it’s perfectly reasonable for anyone to convert to your religion, but no one has a valid reason to leave Islam; it is the perfect religion.
173) Tell him that everyone has faith in SOMETHING.
174) Say that whatever you turn to in your hour of need is God.
175) Make him clean out your car.
176) Include cosmology and abiogenesis when discussing evolution.
177) Tell him he won’t understand unless he believes, and he can’t believe unless he understands.
178) Ask how he can have any morals if he doesn’t believe in God.
179) Say that you know in your heart that belief in God is perfectly logical and rational.
180) Say that going to church is fun.
181) …and when he says it’s boring, act surprised.
182) Leave little Jesus cards on the tables at restaurants.
183) Talk about all the great things Dubya is going to do for our nation.
184) Insist that homosexuality is a choice.
185) Insist that Thomas Jefferson was a Christian.
186) Tell his that it’s not a religion — it’s a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
187) Sing.
188) When asked what’s wrong with evolution, tell them that it doesn’t account for the origin of matter.
189) Tell him he only doesn’t believe in God because his family hates him.
190) Advertise for heaven and hell.
191) Send a child over to witness to him.
192) …when he tells the child he’s not interested, send over two adults to say the same things.
193) …when he refuses again, give a Chick tract to a 3 year old to give to him.
194) Send a chat room message that he is a black-hearted sinner.
195) …then turn your IM off so that he can’t respond.
196) Tell them that Darwin recanted evolution on his deathbed.
197) …and when he tells you about the Lady Hope myth, cry.
198) Create a website challenging evolution.
199) …and when he actually does, close it down.
200) Create a term for a blatant paradox in your religion, then call other religions false because they don’t have it.
201) Get into a chatroom argument with him, then start SCREAMING the lyrics to “Amazing Grace” while your friends write “Amen, brother” and other such nonsense as the atheist tries to make his point.
202) After losing an argument horribly, say that you will pray for his eternal soul.
203) …then begin praying loudly without his permission.
204) Yell and scream about how he is going to hell during a debate.
205) …and when he gets tired of your yelling and screaming, back out of the debate.
206) When losing a debate, take advantage of his good nature by punching out somebody near you until he stops talking.
207) …when you see someone else do this, stop him by saying that his religion is a peaceful one.
208) Put gigantic crosses on everything he owns that you can get your hands on.
209) Counter every argument that begins with “God is defined as…” with “So you believe in God?”
210) Cry foul when he tries to create a club that is not religious.
211) Fail to have a basic grasp of history. (Spanish Inquisition? What’s that?)
212) Have your pastor hunt him down and force him into a debate over dinner.
213) When all else fails, never talk to him, and convince a lot of other people to never talk to him either.
214) Treat his Christian wife like shit.
215) Complain to him about your own church, but don’t leave it.
216) Send the DEA an anonymous tip that he has bundles of cocaine in his garage.
217) Put a large cross in his yard.
218) …then set it on fire with your hooded brethren.
219) PUT ALL ARGUMENTS IN CAPITAL LETTERS TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU’RE YELLING AND SCREAMING!
220) Start your own university dedicated to religious narrow-mindedness and restriction of free choice.
221) …and name it “Liberty.”
222) Perpetually ask saps for money on your television show.
223) Avoid taxes and regulations because you’re doing God’s work.
224) Ask why he only focuses on the bad parts of the Bible.
225) Accuse him of closed-mindedness for not accepting your extraordinary claims.
226) Tell him he has to believe before he can understand the evidence.
227) Tell him he is innumerate.
228) Tell him he is illiterate.
229) Tell him he is pissed.
230) Tell him he won’t agree with you because the Holy Spirit has closed his eyes to the truth.
231) …then continue preaching to him.
232) Insist that you’ve already refuted everything he said.
233) Ask God to bless his dark heart.
234) Threaten to sue his university for infringement of free speech after he heckles you.
235) Tell him that long hair is the Devil’s work.
236) Tell him that all your music is the Devil’s work.
236) Tell him that the fossils in the earth are the Devil’s work.
237) Create hoaxes to prove cerationism (i.e. a human footprint alongside a dino’s footprint).
238) Claim that God can cure HIV if one prays hard enough.
239) …then say that it is God’s choice who he will cure, and anyway having HIV is better than an eternity in Hell.
240) Turn up your amps so that everyone within three blocks has to listen to him rant about Jesus.
241) Double park on Sunday. Claim the principle of righteousness.
242) Ask who he turns to when he’s in danger.
243) …when he says himself, say “No — when you’re REALLY in danger.”
244) Grossly misunderstand the word “theory.”
245) Declare that everyone knows in his heart that God exists, but just want to worship themselves.
246) Declare that without God there are no ultimate answers to anything.
247) …then declare that WITH God there is an ultimate answer to everything — and that answer is God.
248) Declare that without God you finally die alone.
249) Declare that atheism gives you nothing to hope for except the false promises of this world.
250) Use transitive verbs intransitively (e.g. “Jesus raised from the dead”).
251) …when corrected on the above (e.g. Jesus ROSE or WAS RAISED from the dead), shout “Then you really do believe!”
252) Announce that God was watching over a loved one who survived a terrible tragedy.
253) …and when the loved one later dies from his wounds, announce that it was God’s will.
254) Get him to admit that he KNOWS God exists, but Satan has seduced him.
255) Invite every single person in your church to give Chick tracts to everyone they know.
256) Ask if he’s ever heard of Jesus Christ.
257) Show up on his front porch at 9:00 on Saturday morning, and take advantage of his groginess by shoving copies of Watchtower into his hands and getting him to read the Bible with you, then walk away before he has any idea what’s going on.
258) When he finally gets tired of you and launches several “Do Not Feed The Troll” campaigns against you, change your handle.
259) When confronted with a sound logical argument, respond with “Yes, but I don’t believe that.”
260) Have the Gideon Bible waiting in the hotel room that he pays for.
261) Regale him with questions such as “Who do you think wakes you up in the morning? Isn’t that a miracle?” while you, the bus driver, should be watching the road.
262) Scrape your fingernails on a blackboard.
263) If you’re an ISP, repeatedly cut him off during a net session, so that he must spend 90% of his time dialing.
264) Program your church bells to play very loudly at really odd hours.
265) Every time the subject of his being an atheist comes up, burst out laughing.
266) Ask how he can possibly raise children in a godless environment.
267) Accuse him of having more than one personality.
268) Talk to him with the assumption that he shares your beliefs — i.e. start a sentence with “You know how God wants us to…”
269) When the subject of homosexuality comes up, say “God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.”
270) …and expect it to be taken as an intelligent remark.
271) Insist that the Bible is completely true.
272) …and when he conclusively proves otherwise, acknowledge that the Bible is trash, but remain a Christian.
273) …then take him to church.
274) …and tell him he really must come more often.
275) Reply to every statement he makes, “That’s only your opinion.”
276) Post something inflammatory about him, wait for him to respond, then go back and either delete or edit your post so that it appears that the ateist is attacking you for no reason.
277) Become completely and totally paranoid about him.
278) After bringing up a number of topics, explain your lack of response by referring to some organized sport that you participate in.
279) Point to something in nature that’s really cool, and call it proof of God’s existence.
280) When he shows up at your wedding, bearing an expensive gift for you, return the favor by sicing your minister on him after the ceremony.
281) If he has cancer, tell him with a sickeningly sweet smile that you will pray for his recovery, because someone needs to.
282) Refuse to give him your wallet after he quotes Matthew 5:42 to you.
283) Insist you believe in the literal truth of the entire Bible, except for Matthew 5:42.
284) Take advantage of a horrible national tragedy, caused in large part by religious fanaticism, by pushing your own religious fanaticism as the only thing that will save us all.
285) …and announce that the tragedy only happened beacuse of those who ignore your religious fanatacism.
286) When ask why you bother praying to ask for things if God has a Divine Plan, tell him that you’re not really asking for things, but you’re trying to get closer to him. (It’s a lie, of course, but don’t let that stop you.)
287) Insist that a denomination of Protestantism founded in the ninteenth century is the only true way.
288) Insist on deathbed conversions.
281) When ending your conversation with the atheist, promise to read whatever book the atheist may have mentioned, knowing darned well that you yourself never made it through Leviticus.
Nearly all the participants of the Secular Web’s FHJE board contributed to this list in some way — those who did not may share in the credit anyway.
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